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London & South
Western Railway
2 Coach Trailer
Sets
(inc.
Southern Railway)
|
Ex. LSWR 2 Coach Trailer now in departmental use
as a de-icing vehicle. |
London & South Western Railway
DC
electric suburban services
In
summation the mainstay for DC electric suburban services was provided by the 3
Car Motor Units. Initially this was for the LSWR 1915 electrification (London & South Western
Railway) then subsequently the Southern
Electric (following
the formation of the Southern Railway from 1st January 1923)
right through to these units’ Wartime augmentation to 4-car.
Usually
referred to as ‘3s’ in internal railway publications, these electric units
often operated in pairs with 2-coach Trailer Sets (coupled in between) to form
an 8-car train.
During
the Second World War these 3 Car Motor Units were augmented to 4-cars so as to bring the trailer-unit operations to a close.
Eventually these augmented 4-car units were referred to as 4 SUB
when the ‘Bulleid’ 4 SUB units started to appear from
1941.
Increasing
Capacity
Due
to the rapid growth in traffic following the LSWR electrification scheme in
1915 /1916 it became necessary to increase capacity on a
number of trains to cope with demand. There were insufficient electric 3
Car Motor Units available to make-up trains to three‑unit formations and
9-car trains were too long for a number of platforms.
Two‑coach
Trailer Sets
So,
in May 1919 it was decided to form ten two‑coach Trailer Sets by
converting five four-coach bogie block trains which would be marshalled between
two 3 Car Motor Units on busy trains giving an 8-car train. The performance of
the 3 Car Motor Units was sufficient to allow these 8-car trains to maintain
the electric schedules.
Conversion
of Steam-hauled Stock
Conversion
proceeded quite slowly, with ten Trailer Sets being ready by May 1920, but in
view of still rising traffic a further four bogie block trains were then
authorised for conversion to bring the total of Trailer Sets up to eighteen,
and a further three were taken for conversion in October 1922 bringing the
total of new Trailer Sets up to twenty four.
Twelve
of the steam bogie-block trains were therefore modified at Eastleigh to form
the Trailer Sets, these vehicles thereby having the same body styles as the 3
Car Motor Units after conversion.
The
vehicles had been built at Eastleigh between March 1904 and September 1912 and
were mounted on wooden underframes with steel channel solebars. The
7-compartment Brake Thirds became 9-compartment vehicles with two new
compartments replacing the former van area, these new compartments being
5' 8" wide whilst the original seven were 5' 6" wide. They
now weighed 22 tons 18cwt.
Once
again vehicle lengths differed, twelve of the vehicles were 49' over bodywork
(51' 7" over buffers) whilst the remainder were 51' long
(53' 7" over buffers). The Trailer Sets were formed with an 8‑compartment
coach (eighty seats) coupled to a 9‑compartment one (ninety seats),
alternate sets being formed with a shorter underframe vehicle, sets therefore
being either 105' or 107' long. Overall width was 8' 10½" and they
weighed 45 tons 12cwt (107' ones) or 45 tons 8cwt (105' ones)
and seated one hundred & seventy third-class.
The
Composites had all eight compartments downgraded to third-class, the
49' former Tri‑Composites having three compartments 6' 6"
wide, three 5' 10" wide and two 5' 6" wide, whilst the 51'
Tri‑Composites had four at 6' 6" and four at 6' 0"
wide, though one vehicle was taken from a different batch of 51' Bi‑Composites
having five 6' 6" and three 5' 10" compartments. The
49' coaches now weighed 22 tons 14cwt whilst the 51' coaches
were 22 tons 18cwt.
Braking
Systems
Modifications
consisted of altering the braking from vacuum to the quick‑acting air
system of the 3 Car Motor Units and converting the heating and lighting to work
with power supplied from the 3 Car Motor Units via the jumper connections.
Power
Supply
Batteries
where fitted were removed as these were no longer required. No shoegear was
fitted to these Trailer Sets, nor were any driving cabs provided, the outermost
vehicle ends were fitted with waist height jumper connections for heating,
lighting and through-control purposes, the air braking connections remaining at
low level adjacent to the screw coupling. Cables connecting the power jumpers
of the 3 Car Motor Units were run along the coach roofs rather than underfloor
as on the 3 Car Motor Units.
Passenger
Accommodation
All
accommodation was now third-class, though due to the origins of the vehicles,
the former first and second class compartments were
wider than the original third class ones.
Couplings
Coaches
were close‑coupled with the LSWR type block‑train steel disc and
drawbar coupling, later replaced by the SR style centre buffer and three link chain, and the former van space end of the 9‑compartment
coach was outermost, with the wider former first‑class compartments of
the 8‑compartment coaches also being outermost.
Former
Composites also had conventional buffing gear fitted at what became the outer
end of the Trailer Set. All coaches retained their original LSWR fixed
bolster bogies on conversion.
Depots
They
were initially maintained with the 3 Car Motor Units at Durnsford
Road and Strawberry Hill.
Smoking
The
8‑compartment coaches contained two non-smoking compartments, these being
the third one in from each end of the coach, whilst the 9
compartment coach had three, located as the second from each end and the
centremost one.
Into
Service
The
first Trailer Sets were ready for use from the summer of 1920 and were
allocated set numbers T1-T24 by the LSWR, but became Trailer Sets 1001-1024
following formation of the Southern Railway in 1923. However, the vehicles were
not renumbered until they required repainting; this started in 1926 with the
last being done as late as August 1931.
The
LSWR numbered the 9‑compartment coaches 7401 /7404 /7405 /7408 /7409
/7412 /7413 /7416 /7417 /7420 /7421 /7423 then odd numbers up to 7447. The 51'
long 8‑compartment vehicles were numbered 7402 /7406 /7410 /7414 /7418
/7424 /7428 /7430 /7436 /7438 /7440 /7446 whilst the 49' vehicles became
7403 /7407 /7411 /7415 /7419 /7422 /7426 /7432 /7434 /7442 /7444 /7448.
The
rather haphazard way the sets were numbered stems partly from the fact that
they were delivered in three batches, the first ten in 1920, a further batch of
eight followed late in 1921 and the final six not delivered until early 1923,
and the numbering of different vehicle types in one number range. The SR
renumbered all the coaches into a new series between 8901 and 8948 and
rearranged them into individual types within this series. The new numbers were
then:
9‑compartment coaches
8925-8948.
51' 8‑compartment coaches
8913-8924.
49' 8‑compartment coaches
8901-8912.
The
9‑compartment trailers were allocated diagram number 722 whilst the 8‑compartment
trailers (49' bodies) became diagram number 720 and those with
(51' bodies) became diagram number 721.
Livery
Coaches
were renumbered as they became due for a general overhaul and were repainted
into SR dark green at this time.
Bogie
Modifications
The
ex. LSWR fixed bolster bogies did not ride that well and accordingly were
rebuilt with moving bolsters, this work being authorised by H.O. 391 dated 8th
November 1928, which also included the trailer bogies of the ex. LSWR 3 Car
Motor Units nos.1201-1284. This work was completed by August 1933.
However,
these bogies continued to give trouble as they wore out, and a further order,
H.O. 809 dated 23rd March 1934 authorised the provision of
one-hundred new ‘standard’ bogies to re‑equip this whole batch of Trailer
Sets and provide a few spares.
Lighting
Jumpers
These
Trailer Sets did not originally have the central lighting jumper found on other
suburban stock batches as they ran with the ex. LSWR and Guildford
/Dorking units which were also not so fitted when new. They were modified from
about 1934 when the ex. LSWR units were rebuilt on longer underframes and made
more standard with all the other units, the Western Section units then becoming
common-user with the remainder of the suburban fleet from 1938.
Planned
Rebuilding
It
was planned to rebuild these Trailer Sets in a similar manner to the ex. LSWR 3
Car Motor Units, and Eastleigh were given H.O. 1007 dated 17-Dec-37 for
rebuilding of one set onto standard underframes. However, this was cancelled
from 20-Jul-38 and none were rebuilt.
Wartime
& Reformations
Two
sets were withdrawn following accident damage, two others were damaged during
the war and not repaired and one was used for wartime
purposes with the bodies grounded following accident damage, the remainder
surviving in traffic until all were withdrawn between 1946 and 1949 and
scrapped, the bodies at Lancing and underframes mostly in the London area,
during the large scale reorganisation of the suburban fleet into 4-car motor
units. A handful of this batch lasted until the end of Trailer Set operation on
the SR on 26th September 1948.
The
original formations of the LSWR sets is shewn below,
followed by the new SR set number and the date the set was renumbered along
with the works where this was carried out. Dates sets entered traffic are shewn
below the set number in the second table.
The
SR formations show the original LSWR coach in brackets below the SR number.
|
LSWR |
Conv. |
8 Compt. |
9 Compt. |
New SR |
Date coaches |
Works |
|
1920 sets |
||||||
|
T1 |
Jan-20 |
7402 |
7401 |
1001 |
20-Mar-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T2 |
Jan-20 |
7403* |
7404 |
1002 |
20-Mar-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T3 |
Apr-20 |
7406 |
7405 |
1003 |
17-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T4 |
Apr-20 |
7407* |
7408 |
1004 |
24-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T5 |
Apr-20 |
7410 |
7409 |
1005 |
24-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T6 |
Jan-20 |
7411* |
7412 |
1006 |
24-Jul-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T7 |
Apr-20 |
7414 |
7413 |
1007 |
17-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T8 |
May-20 |
7415* |
7416 |
1008 |
3-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T9 |
May-20 |
7418 |
7417 |
1009 |
24-Jul-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
T10 |
May-20 |
7419* |
7420 |
1010 |
3-Apr-26 |
Eastleigh |
|
1921 sets |
||||||
|
T11 |
Oct-21 |
7424 |
7421 |
1011 |
27-Oct-28 |
Eastleigh |
|
T12 |
Oct-21 |
7422* |
7423 |
1012 |
24-Nov-28 |
Eastleigh |
|
T13 |
Dec-21 |
7426* |
7425 |
1013 |
23-Mar-29 |
Eastleigh |
|
T14 |
Dec-21 |
7428 |
7427 |
1014 |
12-Jan-29 |
Eastleigh |
|
T15 |
Dec-21 |
7430 |
7429 |
1015 |
27-Oct-28 |
Eastleigh |
|
T16 |
Dec-21 |
7432* |
7431 |
1016 |
12-Jan-29 |
Eastleigh |
|
T17 |
Dec-21 |
7434* |
7433 |
1017 |
20-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
|
T18 |
Dec-21 |
7436 |
7435 |
1018 |
24-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
|
1923 sets |
||||||
|
T19 |
Dec-22 |
7438 |
7437 |
1019 |
1-Nov-29 |
Eastleigh |
|
T20 |
Dec-22 |
7440 1 |
7439 |
1020 |
1-Aug-31 |
Eastleigh |
|
T21 |
Dec-22 |
7442* |
7441 |
1021 |
17-Jun-30 |
Lancing |
|
T22 |
Dec-22 |
7444* |
7443 |
1022 |
4-Mar-30 |
Lancing |
|
T23 |
Dec-22 |
7446 |
7445 |
1023 |
3-Jan-30 |
Lancing |
|
T24 |
Dec-22 |
7448* |
7447 |
1024 |
14-Nov-30 |
Lancing |
|
Notes |
|
|
* |
49' body 8 compt. vehicle |
|
|
|
|
Footnote |
|
|
1 |
Coach with
slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions. |
|
SR Set |
8 Compt. |
9 Compt. |
Withdrawn |
Body scrap |
U/Frame scrap |
|
Diag. No. |
720*/721 |
722 |
|
w/e date |
w/e date |
|
1001 |
8913 |
8925 |
23-Mar-46 |
‘London Bridge’ |
‘London Bridge’ |
|
1002 |
8901* |
8926 |
6-Feb-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1003 |
8914 |
8927 |
29-Jun-38 |
Effingham Jct. |
Eastleigh |
|
1004 |
8902* |
8928 |
9-Mar-46 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
|
1005 |
8915 |
8929 |
12-Aug-48 |
Ashford (Grounded) |
Angerstein Wharf |
|
1006 |
8903* |
8930 |
2-Oct-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
|
1007 |
8916 |
8931 |
31-Aug-46 |
New Cross Gate |
Eardley |
|
1008 |
8904* |
8932 |
c.Dec-46 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
|
1009 |
8917 |
8933 |
20-Nov-40 |
Selhurst depot |
Selhurst depot |
|
1010 |
8905* |
8934 |
9-Jul-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1011 |
8918 |
8935 |
30-Sep-47 |
Lancing |
Lancing |
|
1012 |
8906* |
8936 |
1-Mar-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1013 |
8907* |
8937 |
21-Dec-38 |
Hampton Court |
Hampton Court |
|
1014 |
8919 |
8938 |
28-Dec-46 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1015 |
8920 |
8939 |
12-Apr-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1016 |
8908* |
8940 |
26-Apr-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1017 |
8909* |
8941 |
2-Oct-48 |
Lancing |
|
|
1018 |
8921 |
8942 |
19-Mar-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
|
1019 |
8922 |
8943 |
8-Sep-48 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
|
1020 |
8923 2 |
8944 |
26-Sep-47 |
Lancing |
Angerstein Wharf |
|
1021 |
8910* |
8945 |
6-May-43 |
Grounded |
New Cross Gate? |
|
1022 |
8911* |
8946 |
26-Aug-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
1023 |
8924 |
8947 |
11-Nov-44 |
New Cross Gate |
New Cross Gate |
|
1024 |
8912* |
8948 |
15-Feb-47 |
Lancing |
Mitcham |
|
Note |
|
|
* |
49' body 8 compt. vehicle (diag. no.720). |
|
|
|
|
Footnotes |
|
|
2 |
Coach with
slightly different compartment widths to remaining 51’ conversions. |
Note on Disposals
Coaches shewn as disposed of by ‘London Bridge’ are believed to
have been allocated to London Bridge C&W staff for breaking, the actual
location of breaking-up being uncertain, though in the London Bridge C&W
area (possibly at Ewer Street or Rotherhithe Road), as coach breaking is
unlikely to have taken place at London Bridge itself.
Individual Set
Notes
(1001-1024)
|
Set |
|
|
1001 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Spa Road
20-Feb-44, repaired at Selhurst between 24-Feb-44 and 25-Feb-44. Set withdrawn 23-Mar-46, and
sent to West Worthing for use by Growers Association. Later moved to ‘London Bridge’ for disposal
w/e 11-Aug-51. |
|
1002 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 6-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal, body of TT 8901 broken-up there
w/e 22-Feb-74, body of TT 8926 broken-up there w/e 11-Mar-47.
Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47. |
|
1003 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Both coaches damaged in collision at Effingham
Jct. 29-Jun-38 and withdrawn. Both bodies broken‑up on site,
underframes cut-up at Eastleigh Jan-39. |
|
1004 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 9-Mar-46 and sent to New Cross Gate
for disposal. Body of TT 8928 broken‑up there w/e 27-Apr-46,
body of TT 8902 broken‑up there w/e 25-May-46, both
underframes also cut‑up there c.May-46. |
|
1005 |
Set commenced service 27-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 12-Aug-48 and body of TT 8929
grounded at Ashford. Body of TT 8915 broken‑up at Lancing
w/e 11-Jun-49. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 2-Jul-49. |
|
1006 |
Set commenced service 2-Jul-20. Set slightly damaged by enemy bombing at Slades Green 4-Feb-44, repaired at the depot by 8-Feb-44.
Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 15-Jan-49, both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 26-Feb-49. |
|
1007 |
Set commenced service 12-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 31-Aug-46 and sent to New Cross Gate
for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 31-Aug-46, both underframes cut‑up at Eardley
w/e 11-Jan-47. |
|
1008 |
Set commenced service 23-Jul-20. Set withdrawn c.Dec-46 and
body of TT 8932 grounded at Clapham Jct. for CEL. Body of TT 8904
broken‑up at New Cross Gate w/e 21-Dec-46. Both underframes cut‑up
at New Cross Gate w/e 11-Jan-47. |
|
1009 |
Set commenced service 23-Jul-20. Both coaches damaged by enemy action at Selhurst
Depot 14-Oct-40 and set withdrawn 20-Nov-40, broken‑up on site. |
|
1010 |
Set commenced service 27-Jul-20. Set withdrawn 9-Jul-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8905 broken‑up there
w/e 27-Dec-47, body of TT 8934 broken‑up there
w/e 3-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Mitcham 2-Jan-48 and cut‑up
there, TT 8934 w/e 17-Jan-48 and TT 8905 w/e 31-Jan-48. |
|
1011 |
Set commenced service 6-Dec-21. Set withdrawn 30-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there w/e 20-Dec-47,
both underframes cut‑up there w/e 3-Apr-48. |
|
1012 |
Set commenced service 9-Dec-21. Set slightly damaged by F/B (V1 flying bomb) blast
at Forest Hill 22-Jun-44, repaired at Selhurst. Set withdrawn 1-Mar-47 and
sent to Lancing for disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 29-Mar-47, both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 10-May-47. |
|
1013 |
Set commenced service 19-Dec-21. Both coaches damaged in collision at Hampton Court
19-Nov-37 (details unknown) and withdrawn officially from 21-Dec-38.
TT 8937 broken‑up on site 20-Nov-37, TT 8907 later also cut‑up
there Mar-39. |
|
1014 |
Set commenced service 22-Dec-21. Set withdrawn 28-Dec-46 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 15-Feb-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham w/e 29-Mar-47. |
|
1015 |
Set commenced service 9-Jan-22. Set withdrawn 12-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
|
1016 |
Set commenced service 18-Jan-22. Set withdrawn 26-Apr-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8940 broken‑up there
w/e 24-May-47, body of TT 8908 broken‑up there
w/e 31-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
|
1017 |
Set commenced service 21-Feb-22. Set stored by Sep‑48 and withdrawn 2-Oct-48
and sent to Lancing for disposal. Body of TT 8909 broken‑up there w/e 12-Mar-49, body of TT 8941 broken‑up
there w/e 26-Mar-49. Underframe
disposal uncertain, both were sent from Lancing to Eastleigh 11-Mar-49. |
|
1018 |
Set commenced service 20-Feb-22. Set withdrawn 19-Mar-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 5-Jun-48, both underframes sent to Mitcham 5-Jun-48, later cut‑up
at Angerstein Wharf, TT 8921 w/e 4-Sep-48
and TT 8942 w/e 11-Sep-48. |
|
1019 |
Set commenced service 2-Apr-23. Set withdrawn 8-Sep-48 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 18-Sep-48. Both underframes cut‑up at Angerstein
Wharf w/e 2-Oct-48. |
|
1020 |
Set commenced service 2-Apr-23. Set withdrawn 26-Sep-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 7-Feb-48. Both underframes sent for store to Tisted
11-Feb-48, cut‑up at Angerstein Wharf
w/e 4-Sep-48. |
|
1021 |
Set commenced service 15-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 6-May-43 after runaway accident
damage at Sevenoaks (Tubs Hill) and both coaches grounded for wartime
use, TT 8910 (officially withdrawn 16-Jun-43) at New Malden for
Home Guard, TT 8945 at Eardley Sidings for C.E.L. though one compartment
was noted at New Cross Gate. Both underframes cut‑up 29-Dec-43 (possibly
at New Cross Gate?) |
|
1022 |
Set commenced service 5-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 26-Aug-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Both bodies broken‑up there
w/e 24-Jan-48. Both underframes sent to Tisted
23-Jan-48 then cut-up at Mitcham w/e 31-Jan-48. |
|
1023 |
Set commenced service 1-Mar-23. Set badly damaged by V1 blast near South
Bermondsey 26-Oct-44 and withdrawn w/e 11-Nov-44. Both coaches broken-up
at nearby New Cross Gate. |
|
1024 |
Set commenced service 28-Mar-23. Set withdrawn 15-Feb-47 and sent to Lancing for
disposal. Body of TT 8948 broken‑up there
w/e 3-May-47, body of TT 8912 broken‑up there
w/e 10-May-47. Both underframes cut‑up at Mitcham
w/e 12-Jul-47. |
Origin
of Vehicles
(Trailer Sets 1001-1024)
The identity of the LSWR
vehicles used to form Trailer Sets 1001-1024 is known and tabulated below.
49' 0"
eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram
number 720.
Converted from 8-compartment
tri-composites with 11122233 layout, three compartments 6' 6" wide,
three compartments 5' 10" wide and two compartments 5' 6"
wide.
|
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
|
334 |
Sep-12 |
2569 |
Jan-20 |
7403 |
T2 |
8901 |
1002 |
|
274 |
Dec-10 |
2510 |
Apr-20 |
7407 |
T3 |
8902 |
1004 |
|
351 |
Dec-11 |
2572 |
Jan-20 |
7411 |
T6 |
8903 |
1006 |
|
355 |
Jan-12 |
2576 |
May-20 |
7415 |
T8 |
8904 |
1008 |
|
226 |
Aug-12 |
2465 |
May-20 |
7419 |
T10 |
8905 |
1010 |
|
353 |
Dec-11 |
2574 |
Oct-21 |
7422 |
T11 |
8906 |
1012 |
|
395 |
Jun-10 |
2612 |
Dec-21 |
7426 |
T13 |
8907 |
1013 |
|
400 |
Jul-10 |
2617 |
Dec-21 |
7432 |
T16 |
8908 |
1016 |
|
1001 |
Sep-10 |
3103 |
Dec-21 |
7434 |
T17 |
8909 |
1017 |
|
193 |
Mar-04 |
2435 |
Dec-22 |
7442 |
T21 |
8910 |
1021 |
|
318 |
Dec-05 |
2553 |
Dec-22 |
7444 |
T22 |
8911 |
1022 |
|
918 |
Jun-06 |
3043 |
Dec-22 |
7448 |
T24 |
8912 |
1024 |
51' 0"
eight compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram
number 721.
Converted
from 8‑compartment tri-composites with 11112223 layout, four compartments
6' 6" wide and four compartments 6' 0" wide.
|
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
|
169 |
Sep-12 |
2412 |
Jan-20 |
7402 |
T1 |
8913 |
1001 |
|
275 |
Dec-10 |
2511 |
Apr-20 |
7406 |
T4 |
8914 |
1003 |
|
352 |
Dec-11 |
2573 |
Apr-20 |
7410 |
T5 |
8915 |
1005 |
|
356 |
Jan-12 |
2577 |
Apr-20 |
7414 |
T7 |
8916 |
1007 |
|
222 |
Aug-12 |
2461 |
May-20 |
7418 |
T9 |
8917 |
1009 |
|
354 |
Dec-11 |
2575 |
Oct-21 |
7424 |
T12 |
8918 |
1011 |
|
396 |
Jun-10 |
2613 |
Dec-21 |
7428 |
T14 |
8919 |
1014 |
|
401 |
Jul-10 |
2618 |
Dec-21 |
7430 |
T15 |
8920 |
1015 |
|
399 |
Jun-10 |
2616 |
Dec-21 |
7436 |
T18 |
8921 |
1018 |
|
384 |
Dec-05 |
2604 |
Dec-22 |
7438 |
T19 |
8922 |
1019 |
|
919 |
Jun-06 |
3044 |
Dec-22 |
7446 |
T23 |
8924 |
1023 |
51' 0"
eight compartment trailer third converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number
721.
Converted
from 8‑compartment composites with 11111222 layout, five compartments
6' 6" wide and three compartments 5' 10" wide.
|
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
|
236 |
Mar-04 |
2475 |
Dec-22 |
7440 |
T20 |
8923 |
1020 |
51' 0"
nine compartment trailer thirds converted at Eastleigh and to SR diagram number
722.
Converted
from 7-compartment brake thirds, brake area rebuilt as two new compartments
(5' 8" wide) with original seven compartments retained
(5' 6" wide).
|
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
Date |
LSWR |
LSWR |
SR |
Final |
|
1595 |
Sep-12 |
- |
Jan-20 |
7401 |
T1 |
8925 |
1001 |
|
1594 |
Sep-12 |
- |
Jan-20 |
7404 |
T2 |
8926 |
1002 |
|
646 |
Dec-10 |
1806 |
Apr-20 |
7405 |
T3 |
8927 |
1003 |
|
674 |
Dec-10 |
1829 |
Apr-20 |
7408 |
T4 |
8928 |
1004 |
|
804 |
Dec-11 |
1889 |
Apr-20 |
7409 |
T5 |
8929 |
1005 |
|
787 |
Dec-11 |
1884 |
Jan-20 |
7412 |
T6 |
8930 |
1006 |
|
1023 |
Jan-12 |
1946 |
Apr-20 |
7413 |
T7 |
8931 |
1007 |
|
1009 |
Jan-12 |
1944 |
May-20 |
7416 |
T8 |
8932 |
1008 |
|
1589 |
Aug-12 |
- |
May-20 |
7417 |
T9 |
8933 |
1009 |
|
1588 |
Aug-12 |
- |
May-20 |
7420 |
T10 |
8934 |
1010 |
|
887 |
Dec-11 |
1914 |
Oct-21 |
7421 |
T11 |
8935 |
1011 |
|
1006 |
Dec-11 |
1942 |
Oct-21 |
7423 |
T12 |
8936 |
1012 |
|
781 |
Jun-10 |
1880 |
Dec-21 |
7425 |
T13 |
8937 |
1013 |
|
103 |
Jun-10 |
1497 |
Dec-21 |
7427 |
T14 |
8938 |
1014 |
|
143 |
Jul-10 |
1507 |
Dec-21 |
7429 |
T15 |
8939 |
1015 |
|
108 |
Jul-10 |
1502 |
Dec-21 |
7431 |
T16 |
8940 |
1016 |
|
106 |
Jun-10 |
1500 |
Dec-21 |
7433 |
T17 |
8941 |
1017 |
|
107 |
Jun-10 |
1501 |
Dec-21 |
7435 |
T18 |
8942 |
1018 |
|
179 |
Dec-05 |
1598 |
Dec-22 |
7437 |
T19 |
8943 |
1019 |
|
329 |
Nov-04 |
1655 |
Dec-22 |
7439 |
T20 |
8944 |
1020 |
|
158 |
Mar-04 |
1526 |
Dec-22 |
7441 |
T21 |
8945 |
1021 |
|
671 |
Dec-05 |
1826 |
Dec-22 |
7443 |
T22 |
8946 |
1022 |
|
1355 |
Jun-06 |
- |
Dec-22 |
7445 |
T23 |
8947 |
1023 |
|
1361 |
Jun-06 |
- |
Dec-22 |
7447 |
T24 |
8948 |
1024 |
Southern
Railway Trailer Set Vehicles
The
origin of vehicles converted for use in the subsequent batches of Trailer Sets
ordered by the Southern Railway was complex. and is shewn in detail in the
sections on individual batches of sets. The following table summarises all the
vehicles utilised:
|
Column |
|
|
1 |
Coach
numbers. |
|
2 |
The
sets to which they were allocated. |
|
3 |
Coupling
arrangement within set (C for close coupled with three link chain and centre
buffer followed by CB for centre buffer fitted or RP for rubbing plate
fitted, L for loose with side buffers and screw coupling). |
|
4 |
The
location where the conversion to electric operation was carried out. |
|
5 |
Details
of the underframe type (STD is new 62' 0" frame constructed at
Lancing works, non-standard lengths are detailed and
AC is a former LBSCR underframe used earlier in AC units). |
|
6 |
Pre-grouping
company which built the bodies. |
|
7 |
Date
of conversion. |
|
8 |
Layout
of the vehicle (number of compartments). |
|
9 |
SR
diagram number allocated to the modified body. |
|
10 |
H.O.
order number for the batch of sets. |
All
vehicles were classified as Trailer Thirds (TT). In some cases, vehicles were
not allocated to sets in numerical order or a particular type of vehicle did
not appear in each set, in these cases the number range of the set numbers is
shewn in brackets. Similarly, some batches of coaches though numbered in one
series utilised bodies from different sources in otherwise identical coaches
and had different diagram numbers as a result, these are also shewn in square
brackets.
The
diagram numbers of many vehicles were later amended during the wholesale
reforming of sets between 1934 and 1938 when many were altered to be close‑coupled
to a newly converted ex. LSWR 10 or 11-compartment coach, or when they were
reformed into newly augmented 4 SUB units from 1943 onwards.
|
Coach |
Into Sets |
Coupling |
Conv. |
U/Frame |
Body |
Date |
Compt. |
Diag. |
H.O. |
|
8901-8912 |
(1002-1024) |
C ?? |
ELGH |
49’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
8 |
720 |
- |
|
8913-8924 |
(1001-1023) |
C ?? |
ELGH |
51’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
8 |
721 |
- |
|
8925-8948 |
1001-1024 |
C ?? |
ELGH |
51’ |
LSWR |
1920-3 |
9 |
722 |
- |
|
8949-8974 |
1025-1037 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925 |
9 |
723 |
67 |
|
8975-8998 |
1121-1144 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
1928 |
8 |
725 |
214 |
|
[8999-9120] |
1051-1109 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925/6 |
9 |
723 3 |
53 |
|
[8999-9120] |
1051-1109 |
L |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1925/6 |
9 |
724 4 |
53 |
|
9078 5 |
1078 |
L |
ELGH |
62’ |
LSWR |
Dec-35 |
10 |
739 6 |
- |
|
9121-9132 |
1110-1117 |
L |
LANC |
50’ |
LBSC |
1926 |
9 |
726 7 |
136 |
|
9133-9155 |
1145-1167 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
1928/9 |
8 |
725 |
214 |
|
9140 8 |
1152 |
C CB |
LANC |
54’ |
LBSC |
1937 |
9 |
737 |
- |
|
9156-9166 9 |
(1189-1194) |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
Mar-31 |
8 |
725 |
585 |
|
9157-9167 10 |
(1189-1194) |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-31 |
11 |
727 11 |
|
|
9168-9170 12 |
1195-1196 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-34 |
10 |
731 A |
791 |
|
9169-9171 13 |
1195-1196 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
732 B |
791 |
|
9172 |
1197 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
731 A |
791 |
|
9173-9175 |
1197-1198 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Oct-34 |
10 |
732 B |
791 |
|
9176-9182 14 |
1043-1049 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
|
9177-9183 15 |
1044-1050 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
|
9184 |
1111 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
|
9185 |
1112 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
|
9186 |
1113 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
|
9187 |
1097 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
|
9188 |
1064 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
|
9189 |
1092 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Aug-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
|
9190 |
1071 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-35 |
10 |
732 B |
844 |
|
9191 |
1070 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-35 |
10 |
731 A |
844 |
|
9192 |
1042 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
|
9193 |
1041 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
|
9194 |
1059 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
732 B |
853 |
|
9195 |
1040 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
|
9196 |
1096 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
|
9197 |
1039 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
|
9198 |
1055 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
|
9199 |
1073 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Nov-35 |
10 |
731 A |
853 |
|
9200 |
1038 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-36 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
|
9201 |
1072 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-36 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
|
9202 |
1118 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
|
9203 |
1119 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
|
9204 |
1120 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
|
9205 |
1199 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
|
9206 |
1068 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
732 B |
901 |
|
9207 |
1067 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
|
9208 |
1103 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-37 |
10 |
731 A |
901 |
|
9209-9255 |
1121-1167 |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
1928/9 |
11 |
727 16 |
214 |
|
9256-9277 |
1168-1178 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBCS |
1929/30 |
9 |
728 |
375 |
|
9278-9281 |
1179-1180 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Jan-30 |
9 |
728 |
399 |
|
9282-9284 17 |
1181-1182 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb-30 |
8½ |
730 |
455 |
|
9283-9293 18 |
1181-1186 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb-30 |
9 |
728 |
455 |
|
9286-9292 19 |
1183-1186 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Feb/Mar-30 |
8½ |
729 |
455 |
|
9294-9295 |
1187 |
L |
LANC |
AC |
LBSC |
Jul-30 |
9 |
728 |
516 |
|
9296 |
1188 |
C CB |
AFD |
46’ |
SECR |
9-Jul-30 |
8 |
725 |
516 |
|
9297 |
1188 |
C RP |
AFD |
STD |
LSWR |
9-Jul-30 |
11 |
727 20 |
516 |
|
9298 |
1098 |
C CB |
ELGH |
AFD |
LSWR |
Aug-37 |
10 |
739 21 |
901 |
|
9299 |
998 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
|
9300 |
999 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
|
9825 |
1000 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
|
9826 |
1200 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jul-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
|
9827 |
1081 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
|
9828 |
1084 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
|
9829 |
1095 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
732 B |
929 |
|
9830 |
1085 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Sep-37 |
10 |
731 A |
929 |
|
10401 |
1093 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jan-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10402 |
994 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Jan-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10403 |
993 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10404 |
1090 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10405 |
1108 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10406 |
997 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10407 |
1099 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10408 |
1051 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10409 |
995 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Feb-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10410 |
991 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10411 |
989 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10412 |
1082 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Mar-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10413 |
992 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10414 |
1086 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10415 |
996 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
10416 |
1104 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
Apr-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10417 |
990 |
C CB |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
May-38 |
10 |
732 B |
965 |
|
10418 |
1061 |
C RP |
ELGH |
STD |
LSWR |
May-38 |
10 |
731 A |
965 |
|
Notes |
|
|
A |
Diagram number altered to 741 when coaches
reformed into 4 SUB units. |
|
B |
Diagram number altered to 740 when coaches
reformed into 4 SUB units. |
|
Footnotes |
|
|
3 |
Diagram no.
of many altered to 735/6 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
|
4 |
Diagram no.
of many altered to 737/8 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
|
5 |
Replacement
for original vehicle, underframe recovered from ‘steam’ third 779. |
|
6 |
Diagram no.
altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
|
7 |
Diagram No.
altered to 733/4 where sets reformed and close-coupled 1934 – 1938. |
|
8 |
Replacement
for original vehicle. |
|
9 |
Even numbers only. |
|
10 |
Odd numbers
only. |
|
11 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
|
12 |
Even numbers
only, transferred to Sets 1115/1117 in 1934. |
|
13 |
Odd numbers
only. |
|
14 |
Even numbers
only. |
|
15 |
Odd numbers
only. |
|
16 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
|
17 |
Even numbers
only. |
|
18 |
Odd numbers
only. |
|
19 |
Even numbers
only. |
|
20 |
Diagram no.
altered to 742 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
|
21 |
Diagram no.
altered to 743 when coach reformed into 4 SUB unit. |
Origin
of Trailer Set Vehicles
(where known)
Ex.
LSWR Coaches
The original identity of
conversions of former LSWR stock into 10 & 11-compartment trailer thirds at
Eastleigh from 1934 onwards is known, with two distinct types being used, split
between those converted into 11-compartment vehicles and those used as the
basis of 10-compartment vehicles.
Coaches for conversion into
11-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn from the large number
of 51' 0" 7-compartment Brake Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1902
and 1912 as the end vehicles of bogie-block suburban sets. These coaches were
constructed on wooden underframes, though with some steel strengthening, though
those constructed after about 1905 had steel solebars. All had electric
lighting from new. They had conventional buffers at the brakevan
end and the LSWR pattern steel disc and drawbar block coupling at the passenger
end.
Conversion work took place at
Ashford works where the body was mounted onto a new standard 62' 0"
underframe (from Lancing) and the former brakevan
area was removed and replaced by four new 5' 6½" wide compartments.
The original seven passenger compartments were 5' 6" wide however. The resulting 11-compartment coaches were
therefore now 62' 0" long over bodies (64' 2¾" over
buffers) and they now seated 110 third.
One each of the vehicles were
used during 1928/9 (along with an SECR conversion) to form sets 1121-1167
whilst a few more were converted in 1930/1 for sets 1188-1194. All these
vehicles had new underframes with a rubbing plate fitted at what became the
inner end of the set. A number of the original
discarded composite construction underframes were later re-used under passenger
vans.
The following table lists these
vehicles in their final electric stock number series, with their original
numbers and construction dates, their second LSWR number where applicable,
their new SR number (those in italics were never applied), the date the vehicle
was withdrawn for conversion, the new electric stock number
and the initial set allocation of the vehicle.
|
LSWR |
New |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
|
1350 |
Nov-05 |
- |
2803 |
Feb-31 |
9157 |
1189 |
|
94 |
Oct-05 |
1447 |
2825 |
Feb-31 |
9159 |
1190 |
|
57 |
Dec-05 |
1324 |
2793 |
Feb-31 |
9161 |
1191 |
|
96 |
Jun-05 |
1481 |
2826 |
Feb-31 |
9163 |
1192 |
|
638 |
Oct-05 |
1798 |
2869 |
Mar-31 |
9165 |
1193 |
|
209 |
Nov-05 |
1608 |
2838 |
Mar-31 |
9167 |
1194 |
|
1372 |
May-06 |
- |
2810 |
17-Mar-28 |
9209 |
1121 |
|
708 |
May-06 |
1844 |
2877 |
17-Mar-28 |
9210 |
1122 |
|
266 |
Dec-02 |
1624 |
2841 |
17-Mar-28 |
9211 |
1123 |
|
153 |
May-05 |
1512 |
2829 |
17-Mar-28 |
9212 |
1124 |
|
750 |
Jun-03 |
1865 |
2883 |
17-Mar-28 |
9213 |
1125 |
|
1251 |
Jan-03 |
- |
2754 |
14-Apr-28 |
9214 |
1126 |
|
260 |
Dec-02 |
1622 |
2840 |
14-Apr-28 |
9215 |
1127 |
|
1266 |
Jul-03 |
- |
2767 |
21-Apr-28 |
9216 |
1128 |
|
310 |
Dec-02 |
1645 |
2845 |
28-Apr-28 |
9217 |
1129 |
|
1296 |
Oct-03 |
- |
2781 |
12-May-28 |
9218 |
1130 |
|
1335 |
Feb-05 |
- |
2797 |
19-May-28 |
9219 |
1131 |
|
21 |
Mar-04 |
1306 |
2786 |
26-May-28 |
9220 |
1132 |
|
37 |
Dec-02 |
1316 |
2791 |
26-May-28 |
9221 |
1133 |
|
27 |
Mar-02 |
1309 |
2787 |
26-May-28 |
9222 |
1134 |
|
292 |
Jun-03 |
1635 |
2842 |
26-May-28 |
9223 |
1135 |
|
684 |
Jun-05 |
1832 |
2874 |
26-May-28 |
9224 |
1136 |
|
295 |
Dec-02 |
1636 |
2843 |
28-Apr-28 |
9225 |
1137 |
|
1254 |
Feb-03 |
- |
2757 |
14-Apr-28 |
9226 |
1138 |
|
555 |
Dec-02 |
1722 |
2857 |
28-Apr-28 |
9227 |
1139 |
|
686 |
Jun-05 |
1833 |
2875 |
12-May-28 |
9228 |
1140 |
|
1295 |
Dec-03 |
- |
2780 |
12-May-28 |
9229 |
1141 |
|
1252 |
Jan-03 |
- |
2755 |
19-May-28 |
9230 |
1142 |
|
1253 |
Feb-03 |
- |
2756 |
19-May-28 |
9231 |
1143 |
|
1044 |
Feb-05 |
1954 |
2891 |
17-Apr-28 |
9232 |
1144 |
|
186 |
Apr-05 |
1600 |
2836 |
28-Apr-28 |
9233 |
1145 |
|
851 |
Dec-04 |
1902 |
2887 |
7-Nov-28 |
9234 |
1146 |
|
31 |
Dec-02 |
1311 |
2788 |
21-Nov-28 |
9235 |
1147 |
|
542 |
Dec-02 |
1715 |
2852 |
19-Jan-29 |
9236 |
1148 |
|
589 |
Dec-04 |
1752 |
2862 |
24-Oct-28 |
9237 |
1149 |
|
61 |
Feb-05 |
1370 |
2808 |
17-Jan-29 |
9238 |
1150 |
|
593 |
Oct-04 |
1756 |
2864 |
17-Jan-29 |
9239 |
1151 |
|
1336 |
Feb-05 |
- |
2798 |
17-Jan-29 |
9240 |
1152 |
|
64 |
May-05 |
1393 |
2812 |
19-Dec-28 |
9241 |
1153 |
|
607 |
Oct-04 |
1769 |
2866 |
19-Dec-28 |
9242 |
1154 |
|
740 |
Mar-04 |
1859 |
2881 |
3-Dec-28 |
9243 |
1155 |
|
1590 |
Aug-12 |
- |
2832 |
16-Feb-29 |
9244 |
1156 |
|
20 |
Jun-03 |
1305 |
2785 |
16-Feb-29 |
9245 |
1157 |
|
5 |
Dec-02 |
1299 |
2784 |
9-Feb-29 |
9246 |
1158 |
|
1330 |
Dec-04 |
- |
2794 |
9-Feb-29 |
9247 |
1159 |
|
1024 |
Dec-04 |
1947 |
2889 |
9-Feb-29 |
9248 |
1160 |
|
1267 |
Nov-03 |
- |
2768 |
16-Jan-29 |
9249 |
1161 |
|
725 |
Dec-05 |
1851 |
2878 |
9-Feb-29 |
9250 |
1162 |
|
1268 |
Nov-03 |
- |
2769 |
16-Feb-29 |
9251 |
1163 |
|
1592 |
Sep-12 |
- |
2834 |
16-Feb-29 |
9252 |
1164 |
|
788 |
Dec-05 |
1885 |
2885 |
16-Feb-29 |
9253 |
1165 |
|
335 |
Dec-02 |
1660 |
2849 |
16-Feb-29 |
9254 |
1166 |
|
730 |
Jul-03 |
1855 |
2880 |
16-Feb-29 |
9255 |
1167 |
|
1260 |
Jul-03 |
- |
2761 |
9-Jul-30 |
9297 |
1188 |
Coaches
for conversion into 10-compartment Trailer Thirds for Trailer Sets were drawn
from a large batch of 8-compartment Thirds built at Eastleigh between 1894 and
1902, along with a few from a batch of 8‑compartment Second /Third
composites (some of these having originally had four second and four third
compartments) with the seconds at one end, whilst others had the four seconds
in the centre of the coach with two thirds at each end.
The
four vehicles of this type converted for use in Trailer Sets were all of the first type. These Composites were to an identical
layout to the full thirds, the only difference being that the seating had side
and a centre armrests dividing it into four seats
across, and had been subsequently downgraded to all-third between 1918 and 1920
with the seating altered to five aside by removal of these armrests.
Virtually
all of these coaches were delivered fitted with gas
lighting which they retained until conversion to electric trailers, but some of
the later built ones had electric lighting from new, whilst all were fitted
with steam heating between 1908 and 1913. They were mounted on wooden
underframes with steel flitch plates along the solebars.
Most
had been renumbered by the LSWR (some of those delivered as composites more
than once, all being downgraded to Thirds between 1918 and 1920), and all were
renumbered again by the SR, though the process of renumbering was slow as
vehicles were only done during major body overhauls involving complete
repainting. The SR diagram number for these vehicles in loco-hauled format was
12.
During
conversion at Eastleigh, most retained their original external appearance with
side panelling with wooden overbeading. However, the
last two batches converted were repanelled with flush steel panelling giving a
much smoother external appearance. Two new matching compartments were added
during conversion to bring them up to 62' 0" long, now with ten
compartments and seating one hundred third-class.
Some
of the new underframes were fitted with a rubbing plate (diagram no.731) whilst
others had the centre-buffer (diagram no.732) at the inner end of the set.
TT 9298 was slightly non-standard as the body was mounted onto a former
‘Continental’ 62’ 0” underframe built at Ashford October 193 for First 7372,
this coach having its body destroyed by fire at Dover Marine in July 1935. As a
result, it was allocated diagram number no. 739 which was amended to 743 when
coach formed into 4 SUB unit no.4176.
The
following table lists these vehicles in their final electric stock number
series, with their original numbers and construction dates, type of lighting
when new (G = gas, E = electric), their second LSWR number where applicable,
their new SR number, the date the vehicle was withdrawn for conversion, the new
electric stock number, the initial set allocation of the vehicle, diagram
number No. and intermediate coupling type (RP = rubbing plate, CB = centre
buffer).
|
LSWR |
New |
Lamps |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
Diag. |
Coupling |
|
764 22 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2903 |
541 |
Dec-35 |
9078 22 |
1078 |
732 |
CB |
|
86 |
Sep-00 |
G |
- |
193 |
Sep-34 |
9168 |
1195 |
731 |
RP |
|
1314 |
Dec-00 |
G |
175 |
236 |
Sep-34 |
9169 |
1195 |
732 |
CB |
|
39 |
Nov-95 |
G |
- |
176 |
Oct-34 |
9170 |
1196 |
731 |
RP |
|
1103 |
Sep-95 |
G |
460 |
446 |
Oct-34 |
9171 |
1196 |
732 |
CB |
|
1311 |
Dec-00 |
G |
179 |
239 |
Oct-34 |
9172 |
1197 |
731 |
RP |
|
1309 |
Dec-00 |
G |
186 |
243 |
Oct-34 |
9173 |
1197 |
732 |
CB |
|
386 |
Jun-95 |
G |
- |
401 |
Oct-34 |
9174 |
1198 |
731 |
RP |
|
44 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
180 |
Oct-34 |
9175 |
1198 |
732 |
CB |
|
1090 |
Jul-95 |
G |
502 |
474 |
Jul-35 |
9176 |
1043 |
732 |
CB |
|
430 |
Jun-97 |
G |
- |
426 |
Jul-35 |
9177 |
1044 |
731 |
RP |
|
182 |
Jun-96 |
G |
- |
242 |
Jul-35 |
9178 |
1045 |
732 |
CB |
|
251 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
293 |
Jul-35 |
9179 |
1046 |
731 |
RP |
|
1108 |
Jan-96 |
G |
455 |
441 |
Jul-35 |
9180 |
1048 |
732 |
CB |
|
1307 |
Dec-00 |
G |
189 |
246 |
Jul-35 |
9181 |
1047 |
731 |
RP |
|
395 |
Jun-96 |
G |
- |
407 |
Jul-35 |
9182 |
1049 |
732 |
CB |
|
393 |
Dec-98 |
G |
- |
405 |
Jul-35 |
9183 |
1050 |
731 |
RP |
|
188 |
Sep-00 |
G |
- |
245 |
Jul-35 |
9184 |
1111 |
732 |
CB |
|
255 |
Dec-95 |
G |
- |
297 |
Jul-35 |
9185 |
1112 |
731 |
RP |
|
516 |
Oct-99 |
G |
- |
484 |
Aug-35 |
9186 |
1113 |
732 |
CB |
|
234 |
May-95 |
G |
- |
278 |
Aug-35 |
9187 |
1097 |
731 |
RP |
|
1148 |
Aug-97 |
G |
342 |
365 |
Aug-35 |
9188 |
1064 |
732 |
CB |
|
751 24 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2890 |
528 |
Aug-35 |
9189 |
1092 |
731 |
RP |
|
1085 |
Jul-95 |
G |
518 |
486 |
Sep-35 |
9190 |
1071 |
732 |
CB |
|
378 |
Dec-95 |
G |
- |
395 |
Sep-35 |
9191 |
1070 |
731 |
RP |
|
135 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
214 |
Nov-35 |
9192 |
1042 |
732 |
CB |
|
227 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
274 |
Nov-35 |
9193 |
1041 |
732 |
CB |
|
235 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
279 |
Nov-35 |
9194 |
1059 |
732 |
CB |
|
1159 |
Aug-97 |
G |
322 |
348 |
Nov-35 |
9195 |
1040 |
731 |
RP |
|
1156 |
Aug-97 |
G |
329 |
354 |
Nov-35 |
9196 |
1096 |
731 |
RP |
|
363 |
Dec-98 |
G |
- |
381 |
Nov-35 |
9197 |
1039 |
731 |
RP |
|
366 |
Nov-99 |
G |
- |
384 |
Nov-35 |
9198 |
1055 |
732 |
CB |
|
1102 |
Sep-95 |
G |
461 |
447 |
Nov-35 |
9199 |
1073 |
731 |
RP |
|
1083 |
Jul-95 |
G |
526 |
490 |
Jul-36 |
9200 |
1038 |
732 |
CB |
|
78 |
Nov-95 |
G |
- |
191 |
Jul-36 |
9201 |
1072 |
731 |
RP |
|
1316 |
Dec-00 |
G |
168 |
233 |
Feb-37 |
9202 |
1118 |
732 |
CB |
|
1110 |
Feb-96 |
G |
450 |
439 |
Mar-37 |
9203 |
1119 |
731 |
RP |
|
381 |
May-98 |
G |
- |
397 |
Mar-37 |
9204 |
1120 |
732 |
CB |
|
1163 |
Aug-97 |
G |
316 |
343 |
Mar-37 |
9205 |
1199 |
731 |
RP |
|
154 |
May-98 |
G |
- |
222 |
Mar-37 |
9206 |
1068 |
732 |
CB |
|
749 25 |
Feb-00 |
G |
2888 |
526 |
Apr-37 |
9207 |
1067 |
731 |
RP |
|
747 26 |
Sep-99 |
G |
2886 |
524 |
Apr-37 |
9208 |
1103 |
731 |
RP |
|
1306 |
Dec-00 |
G |
194 |
249 |
Aug-37 |
9298 |
1098 |
739 |
CB |
|
1104 |
Sep-95 |
G |
459 |
445 |
Jul-37 |
9299 |
998 |
732 |
CB |
|
503 |
Jun-98 |
G |
- |
475 |
Jul-37 |
9300 |
999 |
731 |
RP |
|
Footnotes |
|
|
22 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 914 also carried. |
|
23 |
Replacement
for original vehicle. |
|
24 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 901 also carried. |
|
25 |
Delivered as
composite, third LSWR number 899 also carried. |
|
26 |
Delivered as composite,
third LSWR number 897 also carried. |
Flush-panelled
coaches after conversion
|
LSWR |
New |
Lights |
LSWR |
SR |
Date |
Electric |
Set |
Diag. |
Coupling |
|
1046 |
Oct-99 |
G |
571 |
506 |
Jul-37 |
9825 |
1000 |
732 |
CB |
|
124 |
Dec-96 |
G |
- |
206 |
Jul-37 |
9826 |
1200 |
731 |
RP |
|
1107 |
Jan-96 |
G |
456 |
442 |
Sep-37 |
9827 |
1081 |
731 |
RP |
|
404 |
Jun-97 |
G |
- |
411 |
Sep-37 |
9828 |
1084 |
732 |
CB |