BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard

 

© BloodandCustard

Passenger Carrying Coaches
LSWR ‘Cross Country’ Sets

(130-324)

 

 

Outshopped Crimson Lake livery 15th January 1952, 
3 LAV set 130 is seen at Fareham on 23rd May 1953
© Pamlin Prints/K.G. Carr. (Mike King collection)

Outshopped in Crimson Lake livery 15th January 1952, 3 LAV set 130 at Fareham on 23rd May 1953, with the number of BTL S2983S (nearest) being clearly visible. Although the First-class ‘1’s on the composite aren’t visible (even when enhanced) it is anticipated that they were still present.

© Pamlin Prints /K.G. Carr. (Mike King collection)

 

 

130-151,  251-263,  310-314  &  324

From 1904 onwards the LSWR started building four coach ‘Cross Country’ sets resulting in some seventy-five sets in service prior to the Grouping. Sets were formed BTL (3rd) – CL (3rd /2nd) – CL (1st /3rd) – BTL (3rd). However, with the decline in Second-class travel the composite lavatories in these sets were steadily reclassified to Third-class following the LSWR’s managed decline in Second-class travel from 1914, leading to the LSWR’s cessation of Second-class in 1918.

Set changes across the LSWR came following a fall in traffic with the Great Depression of 1929-1930 alongside a drive to eliminate gas lighting and wooden underframes. Third-class coaches in these cross-country sets were removed in the mid-to late thirties with some First-class compartments in the Composite Lavatory coaches downgraded to Third-class. Most of the Third-class coaches initially became Loose vehicles before being reused in other sets (those documented on the Lancing Works Record Cards are noted both in the set tables and ‘Loose TL Vehicles’ Appendix below).

In 1946 the Southern started building new main line coaches to Bulleid’s designs with the BR Mk1 stock following after nationalisation. Maunsell main line stock was increasingly cascaded onto secondary services with the now-antiquated ex.LSWR stock related to lessor duties. It was not unknown for some pre-grouping sets to work just one return trip a day.

Sets were already being withdrawn under Southern Railway ownership. Most of these sets were withdrawn by end-1956 (on paper set 139 made it to 26th January 1957 and set 314 wasn’t withdrawn until June 1957) although many of the Loose Thirds made it through to 1957. Some departmental vehicles and camping coaches survived for longer (see ‘Departmental Vehicles’ Appendix). 

Sets and Numbering

Built to route-restriction ‘2’, the Southern Railway renumbered these sets and the SR numbers are quoted throughout this page; particularly as many the details of these changes (including LSWR coach & set numbering) are already covered in both Gordon Weddell’s and Mike King’s books (see Recommended Reading).

The Southern normally operated its coaching sets in their fixed formations with the complete set usually removed from traffic for maintenance or repair.

While many of these cross-country sets had their TL removed in the late thirties; others had been extended (for example 311to 314 & 324 in the early twenties). Others such as set 132 was reduced to 2 LAV (by 1946) and set 312 (2 Lav in December 1946).

Liveries

When the sets were re-numbered by the Southern Railway during the nineteen-twenties this was probably undertaken during a full repaint.

Whilst the pre-nationalisation Lancing Carriage Works Record Cards for these sets survive, most of those for 1948-on are currently missing. Accordingly there are few specific dates on Crimson Lake livery, so only an informed consideration can be made as to whether sets carried this livery (or not) based around factors such as the last known paint-date, the ten-year painting cycle and withdrawal dates.

Lancing Carriage Works was still releasing repainted stock in (post-war) SR Malachite Green early February 1949 with Crimson Lake (and Cream) appearing at least by March 1949. Early-on, some Crimson Lake liveried coaches were waist-lined although it is not yet known if any of these ex.LSWR sets had this lining applied.

The Southern Third-class ‘3’ was usually removed from the coach doors by BR during first varnish or repaint and BR Gill Sans carriage numbers would also have been applied at this time.

Being pre-nationalisation stock, under British Railways the coach numbers carried S-prefix and (after May 1951) S-suffix with coaches being modified during their next varnish or repaint. These respectively denoted Southern Region allocation and Southern Railway (or earlier) design. The May 1951 edict required carriage numbering to be on the right-hand end of each coach.

However, many of these ex.LSWR sets would have been withdrawn by British Railways still in pre-nationalisation SR green, albeit with BR number styles (including S-prefix & S-suffix on individual coach numbers) having been adopted during one of the 2½-yearly varnishing cycles. It is believed that none of these ex.LSWR ‘Cross Country’ were outshopped in the darker BR(S) Green-livery (as applied from July 1956-on).

In general, the last Crimson Lake & Cream (CLC) vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appear to be loose-allocated High Window Maunsell SK S1376S on 17th July 1956 which followed set 466 (all of its eight coaches variously outshopped between 18th June 1956 and 10th July 1956) and individual coach 7964 (from CLC Set 440) along with Loose Second Open 1218. The first BR(S) Green-livery set outshopped by Lancing was corridor set 974 on 11th July 1956 and the on the 18th July 1956 Bulleid SK S61S was the first repainted from Crimson Lake & Cream into BR(S) Green-livery.

Abolition of Second Class

Third- class was designated second-class following the abolition of second-class by British Railways on Sunday 3rd June 1956 with the third-class ‘3’ already having been removed usually during first post-nationalisation varnishing or repainting. However, with the decline in Second-class travel around the turn of the century the composite lavatories in these Cross Country sets had already been reclassified to Third-class between 1916 and 1918.

 

Formation of Sets

(130-151)

 

SR Set
No.

Set Renum.

/Changes

BTL
Diag.124

TL
Diag.17

CL
Diag.274

BTL
Diag.124

130

Sep-28
(4 LAV)

2953

608

5040

2983

Aug-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To P-P 37)

"

"

 

Wdn

6-Oct-56

(Jul-54)

6-Oct-56

6-Oct-56

131

Jan-39
(4 LAV)

2954

609

5041

2955

Sep-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 410
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

11-Sep-54

(24-Mar-56)

11-Sep-54

11-Sep-54

132

Jan-29
(4 LAV)

2956

610

5042

2957

Feb-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

May-42
(3 LAV)

"

-

"

2928

by Oct-46
(2 LAV)

-

-

"

"

 

Wdn

DS3210

(Feb-50)

21-Jul-56

22-Sep-56

133

Jan-25
(4 LAV)

2958

613

5064

2959

 

c.1939
(3 LAV)

 

(To set 301
via Loose)

 

 

 

Wdn

Sep-43
(1906s)

(16-Oct-48)

Sep-43

Sep-43
(1905s)

134

Jan-25
(4 LAV)

2960

614

5065

2961

by Jul-41
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 302
via Loose)

"

"

Wdn.

14-Mar--53

(8-Sep-51)

14-Mar-53
(CC 31)

14-Mar--53

135

Oct-27
(4 LAV)

2962

615

5065

2961

Mar-40
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 414
via Loose)

"

"

 

c.Sep-50
(Disb.)

Disb.

 

Disb.

Disb.

 

Wdn

Jan-51

(Sep-50)

23-Feb-53*

Jan-51

136

May-24
(4 LAV)

2964

611

5044

2965

Nov-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

10-Apr-54

(Mar-51)

10-Apr-54

10-Apr-54

137

Apr-25
(4 LAV)

2966

612

5045

2967

Nov-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

Sep-46
(3 LAV)

"

-

"

2951
(ex.143)

 

Wdn

10-Apr-50
(DS1577)

(Mar-50)

21-May-49

21-May-49

138

Sep-26
(4 LAV)

2984

616

5054

2992

May-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

8-Jan-55

(Jun-57)

8-Jan-55

8-Jan-55

139

Nov-26
(4 LAV)

2986

617

5055

2987

Jan-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 410
via set 404)

"

"

 

Wdn

26-Jan-57

(Mar-56)

26-Jan-57

26-Jan-57

140

Jun-25
(4 LAV)

2988

618

5067

2989

Apr-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 413
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

23-Feb-51
(DS1555)

(23-Sep-50)

1-Jan-49
(DS3236)

7-May-49
(DS1553)9

141

Jun-25
(4 LAV)

2968

619

5068

2990

c.1929
(7-set)

See 324

See 324

See 324

See 324

 

c.1931
Set 324

See 324

See 324

See 324

See 324

142

Dec-26
(4 LAV)

2950

620

5046

2969

Dec-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 404
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

21-Aug-54
(u/f DS3235)

(26-Dec-53)

21-Aug-54

21-Aug-54

143

Jan-26
(4 LAV)

2951

621

5047

2952

Feb-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 341
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

To set 137

(Feb-57)

21-Sep-46

7-Sep46

144

Apr-27
(4 LAV)

2970

622

5048

2971

Jun-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

29-Sep-56

(CC 37)

29-Sep-56

29-Sep-56

145

Sep-25
(4 LAV)

2972

624

5049

2973

Jul-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 341
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

29-Aug-53
(DS1809)

(Apr-55)

1953
(CC 34)

29-Aug-53

146

Oct-28
(4 LAV)

2974

623

5050

2975

Dec-37
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose?)

"

"

 

Wdn

14-Aug-48

(?)

21-Aug-48

13-Aug-49
(DS1119)*

147

Jun-25
(4 LAV)

2976

625

5051

2977

Oct-37
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

by 7-Apr-51

(Nov-57)

by 7-Apr-51

by 7-Apr-51

148

Apr-27
(4 LAV)

2992

627

5052

2993

Jan-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

8-Dec-56

(Feb-50)

8-Dec-56

8-Dec-56

149

May-27
(4 LAV)

2994

626

5069

2995

Feb-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

22-Nov-52

(Mar-56)

22-Nov-52

22-Nov-52

150

Jan-27
(4 LAV)

2996

628

5070

2997

May-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 341
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

3-Feb-51

(Feb-57)

3-Feb-51

3-Feb-51

151

Dec-26
(4 LAV)

2978

629

5071

2998

Apr-40
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

17-Nov-56

(Mar-51)

17-Nov-56

17-Nov-56

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(251-262)

 

SR Set
No.

Set Renum.

/Changes

BTL
Diag.123

TL
Diag.17

CL
Diag.274

BTL
Diag.123

251

Oct-25
(4 LAV)

2921

633

5035

2922

May-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose?)

"

"

 

Wdn

Sep-50

(?)

Sep-50

Sep-50

252

Oct-25
(4 LAV)

2923

634

5036

2924

 

Jan-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

16-May-44

(Dec-49)

16-May-44

16-May-44

SR Set
No.

Set Renum.

/Changes

BTL
Diag.124

TL
Diag.17

CL
Diag.274

BTL
Diag.124

253

Jul-26
(4 LAV)

2925

631

5056

2929

 

Sep-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 301
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

Feb-53

(Oct-48)

Feb-53
(CC 38)

Feb-53

254

Apr-26
(4 LAV)

2926

642

5053

2928

 

Jun-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 303
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

28-Apr-51
(DS3169)

(Aug-50)

14-Apr-51

14-Apr-51

255

Feb-27
(4 LAV)

2927

630

5039

2980

 

Jul-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 475
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

3-Feb-51

(Sep-51)

3-Feb-51

3-Feb-51

256

Dec-27
(4 LAV)

2982

637

5033

2985

 

Dec-39
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

27-Oct-50

(Mar-48)

27-Oct-50

17-Feb-51

257

Aug-26
(4 LAV)

2930

636

5037

2931

 

Jan-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 303
via Loose)

"

"

 

Mar-48
(3 LAV)

2611*

-

"

"

 

26-Jul-56
(Disb.)

(To Loose)

-

"

"

 

Wdn

(?)

(20-Feb-54)

May-56

May-56

258

Sep-25
(4 LAV)

2932

635

5034

2933

 

Dec-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 410
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

22-Jul-56

(Jan-54)

22-Jul-56

22-Jul-56

259

Dec-23
(4 LAV)

2934

632

5038

2935

 

Nov-37
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 302
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

May-51

(8-Sep-51)

May-51

May-51

260

Apr-27
(4 LAV)

2948

641

5063

2949

 

Jan-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 303
via Loose)

"

"

 

May-49
(3 LAV)

"

-

4730Ϯ

2607

 

Wdn

Feb-51

(20-Feb-54)

Loose

Feb-51

261

Aug-27
(4 LAV)

2938

639

5058

2939

 

Sep-36
(3 LAV)

"

(To set 341
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

18-Aug-47

(Feb-57)

18-Aug-47

18-Aug-47

262

Mar-24
(4 LAV)

2940

640

5059

2941

 

Mar-38
(3 LAV)

"

(To DS2129
via Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

May-51

(Mar-52)

May-51

May-51

263

?
(4 LAV)

2942

638

5060

2943

 

Jun-36
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

"

"

 

Wdn

17-Jan-48

(16-Apr-55)

17-Jan-48

17-Jan-48

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes

*

Set 257 - BTL 2611 58’ diag. no.97 (built June 1898) withdrawn March 1959 (ex. 2-set 21).

Ϯ

Set 260 - CL 4730 58’ diag. no.285 Loose c.May 1951 thence converted to Pull-Push (diag. no.290) in 1958.

Set 260 - BTL 2607 58’ diag. no.97 (built June 1898) withdrawn February 1958.

 

 

(311-314)

 

SR Set
No.

Set Renum.

/Changes

BTL
Diag.124

TL
Diag.15

TL
Diag.17

CL
Diag.274

TL
Diag.15

BTL
Diag.124

LSWR set

New
(4 LAV)

2944

 

604

5061

 

2945

by 1923
(6-set)

"

570

"

"

571

"

311

Mar-24
(6-set)

"

"

"

"

"

"

by 1936
(10-set)

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

late 1936  
(4 LAV)

"

-

"

"

-

"

May?-37
(3 LAV)

"

-

-

"

-

"

 

Withdrawn /Destroyed EA

30-Sep-42
EA

(Mar-38)
Wdn

(Mar-51)
Wdn

30-Sep-42
EA

(Feb-38)
Wdn

30-Sep-42
EA

LSWR set

New
(4 LAV)

2946

 

605

5062

 

2947

312

Apr-25
(6-set)

"

568

"

"

593

"

by 1936
(10-set)

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

by Jan-38 
(4 LAV)

"

-

(To set 302)

"

-

"

May-37
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

-

"

-

"

Dec-46
(2 LAV)

-

-

-

"

-

"

 

Wdn

7-Dec-46

(Mar-38)

(8-Sep-51)

27-Oct-56

(Feb-38)

27-Oct-56

LSWR set

New
(4 LAV)

2936

 

606

5057

 

2937

313

Mar-27
(6-set)

"

583

"

"

579

"

by 1936
(10-set)

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

by Jan-38
(4 LAV)

"

-

(To set 404)

"

-

"

Sep-38
(3 LAV)

"

-

-

"

-

"

 

Withdrawn /Destroyed EA

12-Aug-40
EA

(Jan-38)
Wdn

(Dec-53)
Wdn

12-Aug-40
EA

(Jan-38)
Wdn

12-Aug-40
EA

LSWR set

New
(4 LAV)

2979

 

607

5043

 

2981

314

Jan-24
(6-set)

"

595

"

"

580

"

 

by 1936
(10-set)

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

 

by Jan-38 
(4 LAV)

"

-

"

"

-

"

 

Jun-38
(3 LAV)

"

-

(To Loose)

"

-

"

 

Wdn

21-Jun-57

?

(Jul-50)

14-Aug-57

by Jan-38

21-Jun-57

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

(324)

 

SR Set
No.

Set Renum.
/Changes

BTL
Diag.124

TL
Diag.17

FL
Diag.285?

CL
Diag.285

CL
Diag.285

CL
Diag.274

BTL
Diag.124

141

Jun-26

2968

619

 

 

 

5068

2990

c.1929

2968

619

7129

4678

4723

5068

2990

324
(ex.141)

by 1931
(7-set)

2968

619

7129

4678

4723

5068

2990

by 1936
(9-set)

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

See notes

Late 1936
(4 LAV)

"

"

-

-

-

"

"

Aug-37
(3 LAV)

"

(To Loose)

-

-

-

"

"

 

Wdn

5-May-56

(Jan-47)

(Dec-37)

May-38

Jan-39

5-May-56

5-May-56

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

(130 – 324)

 

Set

 

 

Notes

 

 

130

4 LAV renumbered as set 130 in September 1928:

BTL 2953 (diag.124)
TL 608 (diag.17)

CL 5040 (diag.274)

BTL 2983 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 5th December 1935.

Outshopped Lancing by (paint) 5th December 1935. Shortened to 3 LAV (varnish) 4th August 1938.

BTL 2953 (diag.124)

CL 5040 (diag.274)

BTL 2983 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 12th October 1942 with a last recorded varnish on 23rd November 1945. Post nationalisation this set outshopped Crimson Lake livery 15th January 1951 with further varnishes 5th December 1952 and 22nd December 1954.

Withdrawn at Lancing 6th October 1956 (Lancing Record Card) else 5th November 1956 CM&EE Record Card.

TL 608 to Pull-Push set 37. Withdrawn 3rd July 1954.

131

4 LAV renumbered as set 131 in January 1929:

BTL 2954 (diag.124)

TL 609 (diag.17)

CL 5041 (diag.274)

BTL 2955 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 25th August 1933.

Outshopped Lancing either (varnish) 10th January 1936. Shortened to 3 LAV (paint) 6th September 1938.

BTL 2954 (diag.124)

CL 5041 (diag.274)

BTL 2955 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded pre-nationalisation paint 6th September 1938 varnish on 30th May 1947. BR paint .varnish dates not known.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1938, this set may have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 11th September 1954.

TL 609 to Loose (September 1938) thence to set 410 (25th June 1946 for new set 410 formation October 1947 – spare set berthed at Hook) and withdrawal Lancing 24th March 1956.

132

4 LAV renumbered as set 131 in January 1929:

BTL 2956 (diag.124)

TL 610 (diag.17)

CL 5042 (diag.274)

BTL 2957 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 25th October 1935.

Outshopped Lancing either (paint) 25th October 1935. Shortened to 3 LAV (varnish) 7th February 1938.

BTL 2956 (diag.124)

CL 5042 (diag.274)

BTL 2957 (diag.124)

Set reformed after BTL destroyed by Enemy Action at Exeter on 5th May 1942 with a painting date 31st July 1942.

BTL 2956 (diag.124)

CL 5042 (diag.274)

BTL 2928 (diag.124 ex. set 53).

Lancing Record card shews last recorded varnish on 20th February 1946.

Set reformed to 2 LAV by 6th October 1947 CWNA with BTL 2956 withdrawn London Bridge 17th May 1952 to DS3210.

CL 5042 (diag.274)

BTL 2928 (diag.124 ex. set 53)

CM&EE Record Card shews the only recorded post-nationalisation E4 exam (this usually included painting) was to BTL 2628 entering Lancing 16th July 1956 /outshopped 26th September 1956.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

CL 5042 withdrawn at Lancing 21st July 1956 & BTL 2628 withdrawn Lancing 22nd September 1956.

TL 610 to Loose. Withdrawn February 1950.

133

4 LAV renumbered as set 133 in July 1927:

BTL 2958 (diag.124)

TL 613 (diag.17)

CL 5064 (diag.274)

BTL 2959 (diag.124)

Reformed as 3 LAV by 1939:

BTL 2958 (diag.124)

CL 5064 (diag.274)

BTL 2959 (diag.124)

Set withdrawn September 1943 as follows:

BTL 2958 to 1906s (Redhll Breakdown train – renumbered DS1906 under BR)

BTL 2959 to 1905s (Redhll Breakdown train – renumbered DS1905 under BR).

CL 5064 grounded at Horsham.

TL 613 to set 301 (berthed at Hamworthy Jct for the 5.30am to Poole) thence withdrawn Lancing 16th October 1948.

134

4 LAV renumbered as set 134 in January 1925:

BTL 2960 (diag.124)

TL 614 (diag.17)

CL 5065 (diag.274)

BTL 2961 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 26th July 1937.

Shortened to 3 LAV as follows:

BTL 2960 (diag.124)

CL 5065 (diag.274)

BTL 2961 (diag.124)

Painting date 2nd July 1941 with a last recorded paint (post varnish) on 19th June 1947.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 14th March 1953.

CL 5065 converted to Camping Coach 31 in 1953 and now survives in preservation at the KESR.

TL 614 to Loose thence set 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951.

135

4 LAV renumbered as set 135 in October 1927:

BTL 2962 (diag.124)

TL 615 (diag,17)

CL 5066 (diag.274)

BTL 2963 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 23rd March 1940.

BTL 2962 (diag.124)

CL 5066 (diag.274)

BTL 2963 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 14th June 1945 with last recorded varnish 25th July 1947.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

CL 5066 withdrawn at Lancing 23rd February 1953. However, set did not appear in the September 1950 CWNA with indications that the set was disbanded before 25th September 1950 CWNA with BTL coaches withdrawn 6th January 1951:  BTL 2962 to DS3161 & BTL 2963 to DS3162.

TL 615 to Loose (March 1940) thence set 414 (25th June 1946 – berthed at Eastleigh as relief set for 411) and withdrawal Lancing 2nd September 1950.).

136

4 LAV renumbered as set 136 in May 1924.

BTL 2964 (diag.124)

TL 611 (diag.17)

CL 5044 (diag.274)

BTL 2965 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 31st December 1935.

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 31st December 1935. Shortened to 3 LAV (varnish) 3rd November 1938.

BTL 2964 (diag.124)

CL 5044 (diag.274)

BTL 2965 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded paint (post-varnish) on 21st February 1945.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1935, this set may have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 10th April 1954.

TL 611 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

137

4 LAV renumbered as set 137 in April 1925:

BTL 2966 (diag.124)

TL 612 (diag.17)

CL 5045 (diag.274)

BTL 2967 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing either (varnish) 21st  February 1936. Shortened to 3 LAV (varnish) (paint) 14th March 1938.

BTL 2966 (diag.124)

CL 5045 (diag.274)

BTL 2967 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded paint (post-varnish) on 15th March 1944.

Set reformed September 1946:

BTL 2966 (diag.124)
CL 5045 (diag.274)
BTL
2951 (diag.124 ex. set 143)

BTL 2951 & CL 5045 withdrawn Lancing 21st May 1949 with BTL 2966 converted to DS1577 at London Bridge on 10th April 1950.

[This set would not have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 612 to Loose. Withdrawn June 1957.

138

4 LAV renumbered as set 138 in September 1926:

BTL 2984 (diag.124)

TL 616 (diag.17)

CL 5054 (diag.274)

BTL 2992 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV outshopped Lancing (paint) 31st May 1938.

BTL 2984 (diag.124)

CL 5054 (diag.274)

BTL 2992 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded varnish on 19th November 1947.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1938, this set may have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 8th January 1955.

TL 616 to Loose. Withdrawn June 1957.

139

4 LAV renumbered as set 139 in November 1926:

BTL 2986 (diag.124)

TL 617 (diag.17)

CL 5055 (diag.274)

BTL 2987 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 7th July 1936. Shortened to 3 LAV (paint) 25th January 1939.

BTL 2986 (diag.124)

CL 5055 (diag.274)

BTL 2987 (diag.124)

Last recorded paint 13th March 1945 with varnish 31st January 1947.

[Whilst not verified, this set probably received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 26th January 1957.

TL 617 to Loose (January 1939) thence reformed set 404 and set 410 (c.1953)) with withdrawal 24th March 1956 for conversion to match truck DS3234.

140

4 LAV renumbered as set 140 in June 1925

BTL 2988 (diag.124)

TL 618 (diag.17)

CL 5067 (diag.274)

BTL 2989 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 8th April 1938.

BTL 2988 (diag.124)

CL 5067 (diag.274)

BTL 2989 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded varnish on 16th December 1946. Set withdrawn 1st January 1949.

BTL 2988 withdrawn Brighton 23rd February 1950 to DS1555, CL 5067 withdrawn Lancing 1st January 1949 converted to DS3236 and BTL 2989 withdrawn London Bridge 7th May 1949 to DS1553.

[This set would not have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 618 to Loose thence set 413 (berthed at Basingstoke – spare set) thence withdrawal 23rd September 1950.

141

4 LAV renumbered as set 141 in June 1925:

BTL 2968 (diag.124)

TL 619 (diag.17)

CL 5068 (diag.274)

BTL 2990 (diag.124)

Reformed into 7-set c.1929:

BTL 2996 (diag.124)

TL 619 (diag.17)
FL 7129 (LSWR dwg.981)

CL 4678 (diag.285)

CL 4723 (diag.285)

CL 5068 (diag.274)

BTL 2997 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 12th November 1930. Set probably renumbered 324 at this time.

142

4 LAV renumbered as set 142 in December 1926:

BTL 2950 (diag.124)

TL 620 (diag.17)

CL 5046 (diag.274)

BTL 2969 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 15th June 1936.

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 15th June 1936. Shortened to 3 LAV 30th December 1938.

BTL 2950 (diag.124)

CL 5046 (diag.274)

BTL 2969 (diag.124)

Last recorded paint (post varnish) on 18th April 1946.

[Whilst not verified, it is inconclusive if this set received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 21st August 1954. Underframe BTL 2950 to DS3235.

TL 620 to Loose (December 1938) thence set 404 and withdrawal at Lancing on 26th December 1953.

143

4 LAV renumbered as set 143 in January 1926:

BTL 2951 (diag.124)

TL 621 (diag.17)

CL 5047 (diag.274)

BTL 2952 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 29th September 1935.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint varnish) February 1939.

BTL 2951 (diag.124)

CL 5047 (diag.274)

BTL 2952 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 14th January 1942 with a last recorded varnish on 23rd March 1945.

BTL 2951 to set 137, CL 5047 withdrawn Lancing 21st September 1946 and BTL 2952 withdrawn Lancing 7th September 1946.

TL 621 to Loose thence set 341. Withdrawn February 1957.

144

LSWR 4 LAV set 61 renumbered as set 144 in April 1927:

BTL 2970 (diag.124)

TL 622 (diag.17)

CL 5048 (diag.274)

BTL 2971 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV by outshopped Lancing (paint) 21st June 1938.

BTL 2970 (diag.124)

CL 5048 (diag.274)

BTL 2971 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded varnish on 3rd July 1945.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1938, this set possibly may have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 29th December 1956.

TL 622 to Loose June 1938. Withdrawn November 1953 and converted to Camping Coach 37 in 1953.

145

4 LAV renumbered as set 145 in September 1925:

BTL 2972 (diag.124)

TL 624 (diag.17)

CL 5049 (diag.274)

BTL 2973 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV March 1939 thence outshopped Lancing (paint) 28th July 1939.

BTL 2972 (diag.124)

CL 5049 (diag.274)

BTL 2973 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded paint (post varnish) on 5th November 1947.

[Whilst not verified, it is inconclusive if this set received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 29th August 1953.

CL 5049 converted to Camping Coach 34 in 1953. BTL 2972 to DS1809 April 1956.

TL 624 to Loose thence set 341. Withdrawn April 1955.

146

Heading into Waterloo from Aldershot, LSWR 4 LAV set 63 was struck by T9 locomotive no.312 (passed a signal at Danger) whilst stationary on the Up Through at Vauxhall (on 29th August 1912) destroying BTL 1519 (SR no.2794) and damaging CL 385 (SR no.623); there was one fatality. BTL 1519 was rebuilt.

Set 63 was renumbered as set 146 in October 1928:

BTL 2974 (diag.124)

TL 623 (diag.17)

CL 5050 (diag.274)

BTL 2975 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 31st December 1937.

BTL 2974 (diag.124)

CL 5050 (diag.274)

BTL 2975 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 28th January 1948 with a last recorded varnish on 30th May 1946. Set withdrawn 13th August 1948.

BTL 2974 withdrawn 14th August 1948, CL 5050 withdrawn Lancing 21st August 1948 with BTL 2975 converted to DS1119 at Lancing on 13th August 1949 and now survives in preservation at the Bluebell Railway.

[This set would not have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 623 probably to Loose. Withdrawal date not known.

147

4 LAV renumbered as set 147 in June 1925:

BTL 2976 (diag.124)

TL 625 (diag.17)

CL 5051 (diag.274)

BTL 2977 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 27th October 1937.

BTL 2976 (diag.124)

CL 5051 (diag.274)

BTL 2977 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded varnish on 30th January 1946. Set broken-up at London Bridge 7th April 1951.

[This set would probably not have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 625 to Loose. Withdrawn November 1957.

148

4 LAV renumbered as set 148 in April 1927:

BTL 2992 (diag.124)

TL 627 (diag.17)

CL 5052 (diag.274)

BTL 2993 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 15th June 1937.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) 18th January 1939.

BTL 2992 (diag.124)

CL 5052 (diag.274)

BTL 2993 (diag.124)

Lancing painting date 13th June 1941 with a last recorded varnish on 19th November 1946.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1941, this set possibly may have received Crimson Lake livery].

Withdrawn at Lancing 8th December 1956.

TL 627 to Loose. Withdrawn February 1950.

149

4 LAV renumbered as set 149 in May 1927:

BTL 2994 (diag.124)

TL 626 (diag.17)

CL 5069 (diag.274)

BTL 2995 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 20th February 1939.

BTL 2994 (diag.124)

CL 5069 (diag.274)

BTL 2995 (diag.124)

Lancing last recorded varnish 3rd March 1948.

Withdrawn at Eastleigh 22nd November 1952. 

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 626 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1956.

150

4 LAV renumbered as set 150 in January 1927:

BTL 2996 (diag.124 built)

TL 628 (diag.17)

CL 5070 (diag.274 built)

BTL 2997 (diag.124 built)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 11th May 1938.

BTL 2996 (diag.124 built)

CL 5070 (diag.274 built)

BTL 2997 (diag.124 built)

Lancing last recorded varnish 7th May 1946.

Withdrawn at London Bridge 3rd February 1951.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 628 to Loose thence set 341. Withdrawn February 1957.

151

LSWR 4 LAV set 66 renumbered as set 151 in December 1926:

BTL 2978 (diag.124)

TL 629 (diag.17)

CL 5071 (diag.274)

BTL 2998 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 10th April 1940.

BTL 2978 (diag.124)

CL 5071 (diag.274)

BTL 2998 (diag.124)

Lancing last (pre-Nationalisation) varnish outshopped 22nd March 1946. Whilst the CM&EE record card does not specifically verify a repaint into Crimson Lake livery, this probably occurred at Lancing with an outshopping date of 28th October 1952.

Withdrawn at Lancing 17th November 1956 (CM&EE record card states 19th November 1956).

TL 629 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

251

4 LAV renumbered as set 251 in October 1925:

BTL 2921 (diag.123)

TL 633 (diag.17)

CL 50351 (diag.274)

BTL 2922 (diag.123)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 24th March 1930 & 19th September 1934.

Shortened to 3 LAV (May 1939) and outshopped Lancing (paint) 26th July 1939.

BTL 2921 (diag.123)

CL 5035 (diag.274)

BTL 2922 (diag.123)

Lancing last (pre-Nationalisation) varnish outshopped 17th July 1945. Withdrawn September 1950.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 633 probably to Loose. Withdrawal date not known.

252

4 LAV renumbered as set 252 in October 1925:

BTL 2923 (diag.123)

TL 631 (diag.17)

CL 5036 (diag.274)

BTL 2924 (diag.123)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 13th December 1935.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) 25th January 1939:

BTL 2923 (diag.123)

CL 5036 (diag.274)

BTL 2924 (diag.123)

Outshopped Lancing paint 5th March 1941. Withdrawn 16th May 1944.

TL 634 to Loose. Withdrawn December 1949.

253

4 LAV set renumbered as set 253 in July 1926:

BTL 2925 (diag.124)

TL 631 (diag.17)

CL 5056 (diag.274)

BTL 2929 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 21st July 1931 & 24th March 1936.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) 16th September 1938.

BTL 2925 (diag.124)

CL 5056 (diag.274)

BTL 2929 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing paint 12th April 1945. Withdrawn April 1953.

[Whilst not verified, this set possibly may not have received Crimson Lake livery].

CL 5056 converted to Camping Coach 38 in 1953.

TL 631 to Loose thence set 301 (berthed at Hamworthy Jct for the 5.30am to Poole). Withdrawn 16th October 1948.

254

4 LAV set renumbered as set 254 in April 1926:

BTL 2926 (diag.124)

TL 642 (diag.17)

CL 5053 (diag.274)

BTL 2928 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 8th December 1930 & 1st August 1935.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) 26th April 1938.

BTL 2926 (diag.124)

CL 5053 (diag.274)

BTL 2928 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing paint 21st December 1942 & 25th May 1945. Withdrawn April 1953.

[Whilst not verified, this set possibly may not have received Crimson Lake livery].

Set withdrawn London Bridge - BTL 2926 28th April 1951 to DS3169, CL 5053 & BTL 2928 14th April 1951.

TL 642 to set 303 (berthed at Hamworthy Jct - spare) thence withdrawn August 1950 and converted to Instruction car DS3178.

255

4 LAV set renumbered as set 255 in February 1927:

BTL 2927 (diag.124)

TL 630 (diag.17)

CL 5039 (diag.274)

BTL 2980 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 11th November 1931.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 4th July 1939.

BTL 2927 (diag.124)

CL 5039 (diag.274)

BTL 2980 (diag.124)

Lancing last (pre-Nationalisation) varnish outshopped 16th October 1946. Withdrawn London Bridge 3rd February 1951.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 630 to Loose thence set 475 c.January 1947 (Portland Branch) and withdrawal September 1951.

256

4 LAV set renumbered as set 256 in December 1927:

BTL 2982 (diag.124)

TL 637 (diag.17)

CL 5033 (diag.274)

BTL 2985 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 14th June 1932.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 22nd December 1939:

BTL 2982 (diag.124)

CL 5033 (diag.274)

BTL 2985 (diag.124)

Lancing last paint 31st July 1945 and varnish outshopped 23rd February 1948.

Withdrawn London Bridge BTL 2982 & CL 5033 (27th October 1950 and BTL 2985 (17th February 1951).

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 637 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1948.

257

4 LAV set renumbered as set 256 in August 1926:

BTL 2930 (diag.124)

TL 636 (diag.17)

CL 5037 (diag.274)

BTL 2931 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 5th September 1929 & 28th April 1937.

Shortened to 3 LAV Jan 1938:

BTL 2930 (diag.124)

CL 5037 (diag.274)

BTL 2931 (diag.124)

Lancing last paint 12th May 1943 and reformed March 1948 with BTL 2930 condemned and withdrawn at Lancing 27th May 1948. BTL 2611 (ex. set 21).

BTL 2611 (diag.97 ex, set 21)

CL 5037 (diag.274)

BTL 2931 (diag.124)

Withdrawn Lancing 26th July 1956 with BTL 2611 to Loose.

[Whilst not verified, it is inconclusive if this set received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 636 to Loose, thence set 303 c.1938-1939 (berthed at Hamworthy Jct - spare) thence withdrawn Lancing 20th February 1954.

258

4 LAV set renumbered as set 258 in September 1925:

BTL 2932 (diag.124)

TL 635 (diag.17)

CL 5034 (diag.274)

BTL 2933 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 5th September 1929 & 28th April 1937.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) Dec 1938:

BTL 2932 (diag.124)

CL 5034 (diag.274)

BTL 2933 (diag.124)

Lancing last paint 29th May 1946 and withdrawal Lancing 22nd July 1956.

[Whilst not verified, it is inconclusive if this set received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 635 to Loose thence set 410. Withdrawn Lancing 2nd January 1954.

259

4 LAV set renumbered as set 259 in December 1923:

BTL 2934 (diag.124)

TL 632 (diag.17)

CL 5038 (diag.274)

BTL 2935 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 6th April 1933.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 11th November 1937:

BTL 2934 (diag.124)

CL 5038 (diag.274)

BTL 2935 (diag.124)

Lancing last paint 31st December 1945. Burnt London Bridge 19th May 1951.

[Whilst not verified, this set is unlikely to have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 632 to Loose thence set 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951.

260

4 LAV set renumbered as set 260 in April 1927:

BTL 2948 (diag.124)

TL 641 (diag.17)

CL 5063 (diag.274)

BTL 2949 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 6th April 1933.

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) Jan 1938:

BTL 2948 (diag.124)

CL 5063 (diag.274)

BTL 2949 (diag.124)

Reformed May 1949 as follows:

BTL 2948 (diag.124)

CL 4730 (diag.263)

BTL 2607 (diag.?)

Set extant for 25th September 1950 CWNA. However, believed disbanded early 1951 with BTL 2948 withdrawn March 1951. CL 4730 LSWR dwg. no.650 diag. no.263 to 58’ composite (diag. no.285) October 1936.  Push-pull fitted in 1958 (diag. no.290). BTL 2607 (diag.97) withdrawn February 1958.

TL 641 to Loose thence set 303. Withdrawn February 1957.

261

4 LAV set renumbered as set 261 in April 1927:

BTL 2938 (diag.124)

TL 639 (diag.17)

CL 5058 (diag.274)

BTL 2939 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 6th April 1932 & 23rd September 1936 (shortened to 3 LAV)

BTL 2938 (diag.124)

CL 5058 (diag.274)

BTL 2939 (diag.124)

Lancing last (pre-nationalisation) varnish outshopped 21st August 1944. Set withdrawn Lancing 16th August 1947.

TL 639 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1952 for conversion to DS2129.

 

[Replacement SED set 261 formed in 1954 of Rstn ‘4’ BCK / Rstn ‘1’ TK stock comprising 6579 + 643 + 647 + 648 + 649 + 651 + 652 + 654 + 6580 thence withdrawn 12th September 1958].

262

4 LAV set renumbered as set 262 in March 1924:

BTL 2940 (diag.124)

TL 640 (diag.17)

CL 5059 (diag.274)

BTL 2941 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 4th November 1935 & (varnish) 1st March 1938. Shortened to 3 LAV:

BTL 2940 (diag.124)

CL 5059 (diag.274)

BTL 2941 (diag.124)

Lancing last paint 12th November 1942 and varnish outshopped 23rd May 1946. Set burnt London Bridge BTL 2941 30th June 1951 and BTL 2940 /CL 5059 7th July 1951.

TL 640 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1952 and converted to gasholder truck DS2129.

263

4 LAV set renumbered as set 263 [date ?]:

BTL 2942 (diag.124)

TL 638 (diag.17)

CL 5060 (diag.274)

BTL 2943 (diag.124)

Outshopped Lancing (paint) 27th January 1932, (varnish) 4th June 1936 (shortened to 3 LAV?) and (paint) 1st March 1938

BTL 2940 (diag.124)

CL 5059 (diag.274)

BTL 2941 (diag.124)

Lancing last varnish outshopped 8th February 1945. Set condemned 17th January 1948.

TL 638 to Loose thence set 341. Withdrawn 16th April 1955 in set 341.

311

Formed by LSWR as 4 LAV set:

BTL 2944 (diag.124)

TL 604 (diag.17)

CL 5061 (diag.274)

BTL 2945 (diag.124)

By 1923 augmented by LSWR to 6 LAV set:

BTL 2944 (diag.124)

TL 604 (diag.17)

CL 5061 (diag.274)

TL 570 (diag.15)

TL 571 (diag.15)

BTL 2945 (diag.124)

By 1936 CWN strengthened to 10-set (details not known).

BTL

T
CL
CL
CL
CL

TL

TL
T

BTL

Shortened to 3 LAV during (May?) 1937:

BTL 2944 (diag.124)

CL 5061 (diag.274)

BTL 2945 (diag.124)

Set destroyed by Enemy Action at Lancing on 30th September 1942 (hence missing Lancing Works Record Card).

TL 570 withdrawn March 1938.

TL 571 withdrawn March 1938.

TL 604 to Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

312

Formed by LSWR as 4 LAV set:

BTL 2946 (diag.124)

TL 605 (diag.17)

CL 5062 (diag.274)

BTL 2947 (diag.124)

By 1923 augmented by LSWR to 6 LAV set:

BTL 2946 (diag.124)

TL 568 (diag.15)

TL 605 (diag.17)

CL 5062 (diag.274)

TL 593 (diag.15)

BTL 2947 (diag.124)

As a 6 LAV set renumbered as set 312 in April 1925:

By 1936 strengthened to 10-set (details not known).

BTL

T
CL
CL
CL
CL

TL

TL
T

BTL

Shortened to 4 LAV and outshopped Lancing (varnish) late 1936:

BTL 2946 (diag.124)

TL 605 (diag.17)

CL 5062 (diag.274)

BTL 2947 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 24th May 1937:

BTL 2946 (diag.124)

CL 5062 (diag.274)

BTL 2947 (diag.124)

Shortened to 2 LAV late 1946 with BTL 2946 withdrawn 7th December 1946:

CL 5062 (diag.274)

BTL 2947 (diag.124)

Lancing last (pre-nationalisation) varnish outshopped 11th July 1947.

Set withdrawn Lancing (CL 5062 & BTL 2947) 27th October 1956.

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1937, this set possibly may have received Crimson Lake livery].

TL 568 withdrawn March 1938.

TL 593 withdrawn February 1938.

TL 605 to Loose thence set 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951.

313

Formed by LSWR as 4 LAV set:

BTL 2936 (diag.124)

TL 606 (diag.17)

CL 5057 (diag.274)

BTL 2937 (diag.124)

By 1923 augmented by LSWR to 6 LAV set:

BTL 2936 (diag.124)

TL 583 (diag.15)

TL 606 (diag.17)

CL 5057 (diag.274)

TL 579 (diag.15)

BTL 2937 (diag.124)

As a 6 LAV set renumbered as set 312 in March 1927:

By 1936 strengthened to 10-set (details not known).

BTL

T
CL
CL
CL
CL

TL

TL
T

BTL

Shortened to 4 LAV January 1938:

BTL 2936 (diag.124)

TL 606 (diag.17)

CL 5057 (diag.274)

BTL 2937 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV September 1938:

BTL 2936 (diag.124)

CL 5057 (diag.274)

BTL 2937 (diag.124)

Set destroyed Enemy Action at Portsmouth on 12th August 1940 (hence missing Lancing Works Record Card).

TL 579 withdrawn January 1938.

TL 583 withdrawn January 1938.

TL 606 to Loose thence set 404. Withdrawn December 1953.

314

Formed by LSWR as 4 LAV set:

BTL 2979 (diag.124)

TL 607 (diag.17)

CL 5043 (diag.274)

BTL 2981 (diag.124)

By 1923 augmented by LSWR to 6 LAV set:

BTL 2979 (diag.124)

TL 595 (diag.15)

TL 607 (diag.17)

CL 5043 (diag.274)

TL 580 (diag.15)

BTL 2981 (diag.124)

As a 6 LAV set renumbered as set 312 in March 1927:

By 1936 CWN strengthened to 10-set (details not known).

BTL

T
CL
CL
CL
CL

TL

TL
T

BTL

Shortened to 4 LAV in 1937 CWN:

BTL 2979 (diag.124)

TL 607 (diag.17)

CL 5043 (diag.274)

BTL 2981 (diag.124)

Shortened to 3 LAV late 1937 and outshopped Lancing (paint) 30th May 1938:

BTL 2979 (diag.124)

CL 5043 (diag.274)

BTL 2981 (diag.124)

Last (pre-nationalisation) Lancing paint 26th June 1946.

Although appearing in the 17th June 1957 CWNA set 314 withdrawn as follows: BTL 2979 & BTL 2981 21st June 1957: CL 5043 14th August 1957.

[Whilst not verified, it is inconclusive if this set received Crimson Lake livery and was probably withdrawn in SR post-war Green (with BR numbering)].

TL 580 withdrawn by January1938.

TL 595 withdrawal date currently not known.

TL 607 to Loose. Withdrawn July 1950.

324

Note - There was an previous set numbered 324 comprising 2605 (3rd Brake) + 1 (Third) + 53 (Third) + 39 (Third) + 4507 (Composite) + 45 (Third) + 48 (Third) + 55 (Third) + 2624 (3rd Brake).

Lancing Works Record Card shews set Into Lancing (probably as set 141) and outshopped (paint) 12th November 1930 with varnishes on 18th January 1933 and 24th October 1934:

BTL 2968 (diag.124)

TL 619 (diag.17)
CL 5068
(diag.274)

BTL 2990 (diag.124)

However, set appears to have been augmented to 7-set c.1929 thence renumbered set 324 possibly at the time of painting 12th November 1930  (augmentation not shewn on Lancing Works Record Card):

BTL 2968 (diag.124)

TL 619 (diag.17)
FL 7129 (LSWR dwg.981)

CL 4678 (diag.285)

CL 4723 (diag.285)

CL 5068 (diag.274)

BTL 2990 (diag.124)

By 1936 set 324 had been augmented to a 9-set for special traffic /excursion work. Formation supplied be Dennis Cullum.

BTL 2968 (diag.124)
CL 5068 (diag.274)

CL 4723 (diag.285)

TL 320 (diag.31)

TL 442 (diag.12)

CL 4678 (diag.285)

FL 7129 (LSWR dwg.981)

TL 619 (diag.17)
BTL
2990 (diag.124)

Reduced to 4 LAV late-1936

BTL 2968 (diag.124)

TL 619 (diag.17)
CL 5068
(diag.274)

BTL 2990 (diag.124)

Reduced to 3 LAV and outshopped Lancing (paint) 19th August 1937 thence varnishes on 29th November 1939, 28th February 1942, 14th May 1945 and 11th December 1947 (annotation as withdrawn 5th May 1956). A record new card was issue by Lancing Works but at this stage remains missing.

BTL 2968 (diag.124)

CL 5068 (diag.274)

BTL 2990 (diag.124)

[Whilst not verified, with a last recorded paint-date in 1937, this set may well have received Green c.1949 else (painted Crimson Lake livery)].

Withdrawn 5th May 1956.

TL 619 to Loose August 1938 thence damaged at London Bridge and withdrawn January 1947.

CL 4678 withdrawn May 1938.

CL 4723 withdrawn January 1939.

FL 7129 (believed diag. no.475) 48’ First built December 1896 as 281 renumbered 3875 thence 7129. Withdrawn December 1937.

 

 

 

Appendices

 

No.

Appendix

1

Diagram Numbers

2

Loose TL Vehicles

3

Departmental Vehicles

4

SR Repairs

5

LSWR ‘Cross Country’ Sets in model form

6

Recommended Reading

 

Appendix 1

Diagram Numbers

 

The following Diagram number apply to these Cross Country sets, including coaches inserted during subsequent reformations.

Diag.

Notes.

12

48’ gas-lit Thirds built 1894

LSWR dwg. no.772 & 944.

Third 442 became Trailer Third 9827 in electric Trailer set no.1081 (September 1937) thence inserted into 3-car Motor Unit no.1215 with  unit released as 4 SUB no.4153 on 18th October 1944.

15

48’ Thirds built between April 1898 & August 1898

LSWR dwg. no.713.

TL 320 built (with electric light) March 1900 as 1288  (thence 288). As 320, rebuilt to 58’ March 1935. Withdrawn July 1959 and into preservation 17th May 1960.

17

56’ Composites built between December 1904 & September 1910 thence converted to Third by LSWR between May 1916 & February 1920.

LSWR dwg. no.1302.

31

58’ Lavatory Third (reframed ex.LSWR 48’ Thirds - not renumbered – between January & April 1935).

97

Brake Thirds built June 1898.

LSWR dwg. no.650.

BTL 2611 ex. set 21 to Loose from set 257.

123

56’ Brake Thirds built December 1904.

LSWR dwg. no.1303.

124

56’ Brake Thirds built between June 1906 and October 1910.

LSWR dwg. no.1446.

274

56’ Composites built between December 1904 and September 1910.

LSWR dwg. no.1298.

285

48’ Bi-composites built between January 1898 & June 1898.

LSWR dwg. no.650 (SR diag. no.263).

CL 4730 rebuilt to 58’ composite (diag. no.285) October 1936 thence push-pull fitted in 1958 (diag. no.290).

LSWR
Dwg.
981

48’ Firsts built between January 1895 & December 1896.

LSWR dwg. no.981. Possibly SR diag. no.475.

FL 7129 48’ First built December 1896 as 281, renumbered 3875 thence 7129 and withdrawn December 1937.

 

 

 

 

Appendix 2

Loose TL Vehicles

The following Third Lavatory vehicles were removed from the 4 LAV sets to become Loose and /or into other sets.

BR

Notes

No.

Diag.17

604

Ex.311 & Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

605

Ex.312, Loose & 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951 in set 302

606

Ex.313, Loose & 404. Withdrawn 26th December 1953 in set 404.

607

Ex.314 & Loose. Withdrawn July 1950.

608

Ex.130, Loose thence Pull-Push set 37 c.12th August 1941. Withdrawn 3rd July 1954. Outshopped Malachite 28th February 1945.

609

Ex.131, Loose thence set 410 on 25th June 1946. Withdrawn 24th March 1956 in set 410. Outshopped Malachite 12th February 1947.

610

Ex.132 & Loose. Withdrawn February 1950.

611

Ex.136 & Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

612

Ex.137 & Loose. Withdrawn May 1950.

613

Ex.133 to set 301. Withdrawn 16th October 1948 in set 301.

614

Ex.134, Loose then set 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951 in set 302.

615

Ex.135, Loose thence set 414 on 25th June 1946. Withdrawn 2nd September 1950 in set 414.

616

Ex.138 & Loose. Withdrawn June 1957.

617

Ex.139, Loose, 404 & 410 (c.1953). Withdrawn 24th March 1956 in set 410 to DS3234.

618

Ex.140, Loose & set 413. Withdrawn 23rd September 1950 to DS 3234.

619

Ex.141 (renumbered 324) & Loose. Withdrawn January 1947.

620

Ex.142, Loose & 404. Withdrawn 26th December 1953 in set 404.

621

Ex.143, Loose & 341. Withdrawn 13th February 1957 in set 341.

622

Ex.144 & Loose. Withdrawn November 1953 to Camping Coach 37.

623

Ex.146 & Loose. Withdrawn ?

624

Ex.145, Loose & 341. Withdrawn 16th April 1955 in set 341.

625

Ex.147 & Loose. Withdrawn November 1957.

626

Ex.149 & Loose. Withdrawn March 1956.

627

Ex.148 & Loose. Withdrawn February 1950.

628

Ex.150, Loose & 341. Withdrawn 13th February 1957 in set 341.

629

Ex.151 & Loose. Withdrawn March 1951.

630

Ex.255, Loose & 475. Withdrawn September 1951 in set 475.

631

Ex.253, Loose & 301. Withdrawn October 1948 in set 301.

632

Ex.259, Loose & 302. Withdrawn 8th September 1951 in set 302.

633

Ex.251 & Loose. Withdrawn ?

634

Ex.252. Withdrawn December 1949.

635

Ex.258, Loose & 410. Withdrawn 1st January 1954 in set 410.

636

Ex.257, Loose & 303. Withdrawn 20th February 1954 in set 303. Outshopped Malachite 3rd February 1945.

637

Ex.256 & Loose. Withdrawn March 1948.

638

Ex.263, Loose & 341. Withdrawn 16th April 1955 in set 341.

639

Ex.261 & Loose. Withdrawn 13th February 1957.