BR British Rail Crimson & Cream
Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and
Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream
Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson
& Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard
Blood and Custard
Passenger Carrying Coaches
Maunsell Low-Window Stock
(390-399, 445-448, 449-454, 465-470)
No.3215 in set
390 at Micheldever (c.1956-1957). © Lens of Sutton (Mike King collection) |
This page covers the following Maunsell Low Window sets |
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3 Cor |
390 - 399 |
(1928 to 1961) |
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3 Cor |
445 - 448 |
(1928 to 1961) |
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4 Cor |
449 - 454 |
(1929 to 1965) |
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2 Cor |
460 - 461 |
(1963 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
463 - 464 |
(1963 to 1964) |
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8 Cor |
465 - 466 |
(1929 to 1965) |
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8 Cor |
467 - 468 |
(1961 to 1963) |
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8 Cor |
469 - 470 |
(1928 to 1959) |
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Because of their inter-related history this page also |
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2 Cor |
180 - 192 |
(1962 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
217 - 219 |
(1962 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
444 – 467 |
(1958 to 1964) |
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BR(S) convention meant
each set was normally arranged with the coach conveying first-class (CK)
positioned adjacent to the higher-numbered BTK. On four coach sets this
convention also positioned the corridor to the compartments on the same-side
placing first-class towards the middle of each four-coach set.
Liveries
Original livery was lined Olive with the lining being dropped
c.1935. Malachite followed and Lancing Carriage works was still releasing
repainted stock in SR Malachite Green early February 1949 with Crimson Lake
(and Cream) appearing at least by March 1949.
The last Crimson Lake & Cream (CLC) vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appear to be loose-allocated High Window Maunsell SK S1376S on 17th July 1956 which followed set 466 (all of its eight coaches variously outshopped between 18th June 1956 and 10th July 1956) and individual coach 7964 (from CLC Set 440) along with Loose Second Open 1218.
The first BR Green-livery set outshopped by Lancing
was set 974 on 11th July 1956 and the on the 18th
July 1956 Bulleid SK S61S was the first coach repainted from Crimson Lake &
Cream into Green-livery.
Abolition of Second Class
Third-class was designated
second-class following the abolition of second-class
by British Railways on
Sunday 3rd June 1956. In the tables below coaches are described
as Third-class unless they were inserted into a set after 3rd June
1956 when Second Class is used.
Key |
Notes |
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CLC |
BR Crimson Lake & Cream-livery |
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G |
BR(S) Green-livery |
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R4 |
Restriction 4 (C1 restriction is the BR equivalent) |
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‡ |
Not stencilled with set number |
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Notes on reading these tables
In
the tables below coaches are included up to the date given in the left hand-column.
If the coach number is crossed out then it was removed from that set at the
next reformation with its replacement stated against the next formation (i.e.
row beneath).
No.3224 in set
395 at Eastleigh on 21st September 1959. © Ted West (Mike King collection) |
New 3 Cor Sets
(390 to 399)
Sets 390 to 399 were the first of the Maunsell 59’
Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and
four-compartment brakes. Formed July 1926 (390-395) & October 1926 (396-399) to HO
order no. E94 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division
(SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 3214 to 3233; the CK being 5137
to 5146. These coaches remained in their allotted set without change until
withdrawal.
The following sets were
annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these
having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 390 (no intermediate buffers
between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 – inspected 14th June 1944), 391,
392, 393 (except the 1st class end of 5137), 394, 395, 396, 397, 398
& 399.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
390 |
Jul-26 |
3214 |
5138 |
3215 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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391 |
Jul-26 |
3216 |
5139 |
3217 |
Wdn |
12-Apr-58 |
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392 |
Jul-26 |
3218 |
5141 |
3219 |
Wdn |
9-Oct-59 |
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393 |
Jul-26 |
3220 |
5137 |
3221 |
Wdn |
12-Jul-58 |
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394 |
Jul-26 |
3222 |
5143 |
3223 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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395 |
Jul-26 |
3224 |
5146 |
3225 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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396 |
Oct-26 |
3228 |
5140 |
3229 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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397 |
Oct-26 |
3226 |
5142 |
3231 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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398 |
Oct-26 |
3227 |
5144 |
3230 |
Wdn |
Dec-61 |
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399 |
Oct-26 |
3232 |
5145 |
3233 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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Liveries
Set |
Livery |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
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390 |
Olive |
3214 |
5138 |
3215 |
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Malachite |
< 13-Jul-44 > |
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CLC |
< 9-Oct-53 > |
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G |
< 17-Dec-57 > |
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391 |
Olive |
3216 |
5139 |
3217 |
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Malachite |
< 13-Jan-45 > |
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CLC |
< ? > |
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G |
< ? > |
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392 |
Olive |
3218 |
5141 |
3219 |
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Malachite |
< 15-Feb-45 > |
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CLC |
< Nov-53 > |
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G |
< ? > |
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393 |
Olive |
3220 |
5137 |
3221 |
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Malachite |
< 5-Feb-41 > |
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CLC |
< Yes > |
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G |
< ? > |
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394 |
Olive |
3222 |
5143 |
3223 |
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Malachite |
< 27-Oct-44 > |
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CLC |
< 6-Mar-53 > |
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G |
10-Jan-57 |
31-Dec-56 |
10-Jan-57 |
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395 |
Olive |
3224 |
5146 |
3225 |
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Malachite |
< 28-Mar-44 > |
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CLC |
< 29-Jun-55 > |
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G |
< 8-Apr-58 > |
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396 |
Olive |
3228 |
5140 |
3229 |
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Malachite |
< 25-Jan-45 > |
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CLC |
< 10-Dec-52 > |
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G |
11-Jul-58 |
24-Jul-56 |
11-Jul-58 |
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397 |
Olive |
3226 |
5142 |
3231 |
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Malachite |
< 14-Nov-46 > |
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CLC |
< 28-Jul-55 > |
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G |
< 6-Jun-57 > |
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398 |
Olive |
3227 |
5144 |
3230 |
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Malachite |
< 4-Jul-46 > |
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CLC |
< 1-Sep-54 > |
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G |
17-Dec-56 |
20-Dec-56 |
10-Dec-56 |
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399 |
Olive |
3232 |
5145 |
3233 |
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Malachite |
< 11-Nov-47 > |
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CLC |
< Not painted CLC > |
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G |
27-Jul-56 |
25-Jul-56 |
26-Jul-56 |
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Individual Set Notes
(390 – 399)
Set |
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Notes |
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390 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3214 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th July 1944 with a last recorded
Southern Railway varnish on 3rd April 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 8th
August 1941. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 9th October 1953 thence Green on 17th November
1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 17th November
1959. Set 390 had its intermediate buffers removed between CK 5138 & BTK
3214 (inspected 14th June 1944). Set 390 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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391 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3216 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th January 1945 with a last recorded
Southern Railway varnish on 24th March 1947. Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it
probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have
received Green. Set 391 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 391 was withdrawn 12th April 1958. |
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392 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3218 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 16th
December 1935 and 15th February 1945 with
a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 17th December 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 3rd
August 1940. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 17th November 1953 but may or may not have received Green. Set 392 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 392 was withdrawn 9th October 1959. Memo dated 26th
September 1959 to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent
Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ reference RS/51/1/51A/BA from Waterloo Inspector
Ernie Tozer stated set 392 at Micheldever to be
marked as condemned. |
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393 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3220 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 18th December 1930, 11th
March 1935 and 5th February 1941 with a last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 2nd January 1948. Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it
probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have
received Green. Set 393 had its intermediate buffers removed excepting between CK 5138
& BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944). Set 393 was withdrawn 12th July 1958. |
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394 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3222 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 22nd December 1930, 18th
February 1935 and 27th October 1944 with
a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair to 3223) on 17th
April 1939 and (damage repair to 5143) on 6th September 1941 and
Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 15th May 1947. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 6th March 1953 thence CK into Green on 31st
December 1956 with the BSKs’ following on 10th January 1957. It
was outshopped from its final varnish on 4th January 1961. Set 394 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 394 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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395 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3224 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 6th February 1931, 27th
May 1935 and 28th March 1944 after its
last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 10th April 1941. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 10th
April 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 2nd April 1948. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 29th July 1953 thence Green on 8th April 1958.
It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960. Set 395 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 395 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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396 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3228 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 26th
February 1936 and 25th January 1945 with
a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th September 1946. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 10th December 1952 thence CK into Green on 24th
July 1956 with the BSKs following on 11th July 1958. It was
outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 4th
November 1954 and 12th November 1954 with all being outshopped
from Eastleigh 22nd March 1961 (light repairs). Set 396 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 396 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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397 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3226 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 14th April 1931, 26th
June 1936 and 14th November 1946 after
its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th September 1943.
It was outshopped from Lancing (damage) on 18th September
1943. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 28th July 1955 thence Green on 6th June 1957. It
was outshopped from its final varnish on 12th April 1961. Set 397 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 397 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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398 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3227 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 30th April 1931, 21st
August 1935 and 4th July 1946 after its
last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1943. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 1st September 1954 thence Green on 20th December
1956. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th February
1961. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 24th
December 1954. Set 398 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 398 was withdrawn December 1961. Waterloo Inspector’s memos dated
4th July 1962 and 7th November 1962 identify set
398 being stored at Worthy Down
(annotated no intermediate buffers). Set was dispatched as part of train no.7
from Andover Junction to Birds Motors (Llanelly) Wednesday, 3rd
June 1964 (sold 2nd May 1964). |
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399 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3232 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 20th October 1930, 4th
October 1937 and 14th November 1947 after
its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 13th May 1944. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped 28th July
1955 thence Green on 27th July 1956 and did not receive Crimson
Lake & Cream livery. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th
July 1958. Set 399 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 399 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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Condemned 5149
(ex. set 447) at Horsted Keynes on 26th September 1959 © Denis Cullum (Mike King collection) |
3 Cor Sets
(445 to 448)
Sets 445 to 448 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4
stock built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company in August to
September 1928. These had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed
August 1928 (445-446) and September 1928 (447-448) to HO order no. E??? in
lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches
were in the number range 4055 to 4062 to diag.2101; the CK being 5147 to 5150
to diag.2301.
The following sets were
annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these
having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 445, 446, 447 (except the 1st class end of
CK 5149) & 448.
Following withdrawal these
set numbers were reused for 2 Cor sets as follows: 187 became 445, 188 became
446, 189 became 447 and set 190 became 448. In
terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467
for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton -
Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
445 |
Aug-28 |
4055 |
5147 |
4056 |
Wdn |
11-Oct-58 |
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446 |
17-Aug-28 |
4057 |
5148 |
4058 |
Wdn |
28-Apr-61 |
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447 |
Sep-28 |
4059 |
5149 |
4061 |
Wdn |
4-Jul-59 |
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448 |
Sep-28 |
4060 |
5150 |
4062 |
Wdn |
20-Sep-58 |
20-Sep-58 |
20-Sep-58 |
(5-Jan-61) |
Liveries
Set |
Liveries |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
445 |
Olive |
4055 |
5147 |
4056 |
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Malachite |
|
< ? > |
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CLC |
|
< ? > |
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G |
|
< ? > |
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446 |
Olive |
4057 |
5148 |
4058 |
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Malachite |
< 13-Jun-41 > |
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CLC |
< 30-May-51 > |
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G |
27-Mar-58 |
3-Dec-57 |
3-Dec-57 |
447 |
Olive |
4059 |
5149 |
4061 |
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Malachite |
< 21-Dec-46 > |
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CLC |
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< ? > |
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G |
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< ? > |
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448 |
Olive |
4060 |
5150 |
4062 |
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Malachite |
< 22-May-46 > |
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CLC |
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< ? > |
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G |
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< ? > |
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Individual Set Notes
(445 – 448)
Set |
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Notes |
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445 |
3 Cor formed August
1928: BTK 4055 (diag.2101) Set 445 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 19th February 1937 with a last
recorded Southern Railway varnish on 16th November 1943. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Set 445 was withdrawn 11th October 1959. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3697 (diag.2104) CK 5607 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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446 |
3 Cor formed 17th August 1928: BTK 4057 (diag.2101) Set 446 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 30th January 1935 thence 13th
June 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 19th
May 1947. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (damage repair) on 18th
December 1939. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 30th May1951 thence Green on 27th March 1958
(date of last vehicle painted). It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 15th
July 1954. Set 446 was sent to Hassocks on 25th March 1960 for onward
transit to Lancing following withdrawal on 11th October 1959. Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under &
awaiting repairs’ to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H
Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 + 1801 SK as being at
Hassocks as follows: W/E 28-1-61 (dated 27th January 1961) W/E 4-2-61 (dated 4th February 1961) W/E 18-2-61 (dated 17th February 1961) W/E 25-2-61 (dated 24th February 1961) W/E 4-3-61 (dated 3rd
March 1961) Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under &
awaiting repairs W/E 11-3-61’ (dated 10th March
1961) to M.S.Hatchell
Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H
Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 as being at Seaford. Memo titled ‘Withdrawal of Coaching Stock Phase 11’ (dated 13th May 1961) to M.S. Hatchell
(RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (Ref. RS/51/3/1D) states
set 446 at Seaford to be marked as condemned, carded to Newhaven for disposal
of bodies and bogies, underframes to Lancing. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3699 (diag.2104) CK 5609 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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447 |
3 Cor formed September
1928: BTK 4059 (diag.2101) Set 447 had its intermediate buffers removed with the
exception of 1st class end of CK 5149 (adjacent BTK 4061
had its intermediate buffers removed). Lancing painting date 1st July1937 thence 21st
December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th
June 1947. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Set 447 was withdrawn Lancing 11th October 1959. Memo
titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E
18-7-59’ (dated 22nd July 1959) to
F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer
(RS/51/1/61A/BO) states set 447 at Horsted Keynes as ‘no
yet marked’ as condemned. Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal. Stock
berthed at Horsted Keynes 8-9-59’ (dated 9th September 1959) to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh)
from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/51/BA) reports “It
has been reported by the Station Master to the Railway Police that the tool
boxes in the berthed stock have been broken open and contents stolen. I have
inspected a large number of these berthed vehicles
and report my findings as follows: - Commencing Ardingly end:
[comprehensive list of stock follows]” In terms of stock inspected on 9th (September 1959) against
set 447 the report only records the two brake coaches: BSK 4059 In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. Lavatory and Guard’s
door missing, could have been removed at Lancing, no record. BSK 4061 Stripped at Lancing Empty box on floor. In van and in order 1
CO2 2 Buckets. All compartment doors stripped down and inside vehicle,
lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been dealt with prior to
dispatch from Lancing, no record. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3705 (diag.2104) CK 5619 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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448 |
3 Cor formed September
1928: BTK 4060 (diag.2101) Set 448 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 1st July1937 thence 21st
December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th
June 1947. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Set 448 was disbanded with BTK 4060 & CK 5150 withdrawn at Lancing
on 20th September 1959. BTK 4062 went to set 436. BTK 4062 to set 436 replacing BTK 3188 (which was removed from set 436
and withdrawn at Lancing on 4th October 1958). BTK 4062 was
repainted 8th December 1958 and was withdrawn from set 436 on 5th
January 1962. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3707 (diag.2104) CK 5621 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 30th January 1965. |
4 Cor Sets
(449-454) HO no.288
Sets 449 to 454 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’
stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and six-compartment
brakes. Formed 4th January 1929 (449-450), 2nd
February 1929 (451-452), 26th February 1929 (453) & 25th
February 1929 (454) to HO order no. E288 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to
the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4067
to 4078; the CK being 5159 to 5170. Most of these coaches remained in their
allotted set without change until withdrawal.
Towards the end of their
lives the following sets were reduced to 2 Cor: 449, 450, 451 with ‘new’ 2 Cor
sets formed from the coaches removed from these sets. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor
set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead –
Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
CK |
BTK |
449 |
4-Jan-29 |
4067 |
5159 |
5160 |
4068 |
|
c.Sep-62 |
4067 |
5159 |
|
|
Wdn. |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
|
450 |
4-Jan-29 |
4069 |
5161 |
5162 |
4070 |
|
Feb-61 |
4069 |
5161 |
5162 |
4070 |
Wdn. |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
Reformed |
by 18-Jun-62 |
(BSO) |
5630 |
5632 |
(BSO) |
|
c.Sep-1962 |
(BSO) |
5630 |
|
(BSO) |
Wdn. |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
|
451 |
2-Feb-29 |
4071 |
5163 |
5164 |
4072 |
|
c.Sep-1962 |
4071 |
5163 |
|
|
Wdn. |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
|
|
452 |
2-Feb-29 |
4073 |
5165 |
5166 |
4074 |
Wdn. |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
Reformed |
18-Jun-62 |
(BSO) |
5610 |
5633 |
(BSO) |
|
17-Jun-63 |
(BSO) |
5610 |
|
(BSO) |
Wdn. |
oou Nov-63? |
12-Mar-64 |
By 30-Oct-64 |
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|
453 |
26-Feb-29 |
4075 |
5167 |
5168 |
4076 |
|
9-Oct-59 |
|
|
|
|
|
Wdn |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
Reformed |
18-Nov-59 |
4092 |
5626 |
5617 |
4080 |
|
10-May-61 |
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" |
" |
" |
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by 12-Jul-61 |
4082 |
" |
" |
" |
|
17-Jun-63 |
4082 |
|
5617 |
|
|
Wdn |
1-Oct-64 |
|
1-Oct-64 |
|
454 |
25-Feb-29 |
|
5169 |
5170 |
4078 |
|
Nov-40 |
4079 |
5169 |
5170 |
4078 |
|
17-Jun-63 |
4079 |
5169 |
|
|
Wdn. |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
|
Individual Set Notes
(450 – 454)
Set |
Notes |
449 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 4th January 1929. BTK 4067 (diag.2104) Reformed to 2 Cor in 21st August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK 5160 to set 460): BSK 4067 (diag.2104) Set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
450 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929. BTK 4069 (diag.2104) Set outshopped Malachite 25th January 1943, CLC 16th
July 1952 thence BR(S) Green 13th January 1958. These four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961. |
|
‘New’ 4 Cor set 450 formed (by 18th June
1962) with nondescript BSO and High Window restriction ‘1’ stock as follows: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) Circa September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with
BSO 4448 and CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) Set withdrawn 27th March
1965. |
451 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929. BTK 4071 (diag.2104) Set repainted Olive 17th February 1936, outshopped
Malachite 16th May 1946, CLC 16th September 1954 thence
BR(S) Green 14th August 1958. Reformed to 2 Cor in September 1962 (for 17th June 1963
CWNA) as follows (with BSK 4072 and CK 5164 to set 463): BSK 4071 (diag.2104) Withdrawn 16th May 1964. |
452 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929. BTK 4073 (diag.2104) Damage repairs at Lancing 20th February 1941 to 7th
March 1941. Set repainted Olive 30th November, outshopped Malachite 20th
March 1944 & 8th December 1948. This set may not have received
CLC or even BR(S) Green before being condemned on 31st October
1959 (it had been included in the 2nd
November 1959 CWNA). |
|
Replacement 4 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 18th
June 1962 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & BSO 4433 were
nondescript brakes; CK 5610 & CK 5633 High-Window coaches. BSO 4432 (diag.2654) CK 5610 (diag.2302) CK 5633 (diag.2302) BSO 4433 (diag.2654) Reformed to 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 Appendix to
Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & CK 5633 to 2 Cor set 462. BSO 4432 (diag.2654) CK 5610 (diag.2302) Set possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th
March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964. |
453 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 26th February 1929. BTK 4075 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 26th
June 1936, Malachite 4th September 1943, CLC 12th July
1949 and BR(S) Green 3rd October 1958. Set 453 was withdrawn from Brighton 26th
September 1959 (Lancing Works record card states condemned 9th
October 1959). In a memo dated 29th September 1959 to F J Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for
Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ (ref. RS/51/1/51A/BA)
Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer identifies BSK 4075, CK 5167, CK 5168 & BSK 4076 of 453 Set ‘Brighton to
Newhaven direct, marked condemned’. |
|
Replacement 4 Cor set 453 was formed October 1959
(appearing in 2nd November 1959 CWNA)
with BR(S) Green liveried coaches as follows: BSK 4092 (diag.2104) BSK 4092 was a Restriction ‘1’ high-window six compartment brake
to diag.2104 built Eastleigh November 1929 originally from set 183 via Loose
& set 156. CK 5626 and CK 5617 were
Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composites to diag.2302 built
Eastleigh between January & April 1931. CK 5626 was originally from set
219 (released 14th April 1931) via Loose and set 464 while CK 5617
was originally from set 218 (released 26th February 1931) via set
455. BSK 4080 was a Restriction ‘1’ low-window six compartment brake
to diag.2104 built Eastleigh between January & March 1929 originally from
set 465 (released 21st March 1929) via set 466. 2nd November 1959 CWNA stated CK 5676
instead of CK 5616 (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5676 + 4080). However,
this is amended to CK 5626 by 13th June 1960 CWNA (with formation
as 4092 + 5617 + 5626 + 4080). CK 5676 had been withdrawn in October 1959. In a memo dated 10th May 1961 to M S Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer
stated “BSK No. 4092 of 453 Set is in very bad condition, and I
suggest BSK 4082 P7-56, V4-58 on this A list be retained and the former
withdrawn.” No. 4092 was summarily withdrawn and the set reformed: Note – this change did
not take place in time for the 12th June
1961 CWNA) which still shewed BSK 4092. BSK 4082 (diag.2104) 4 Cor set 453 was
reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963
CWNA with BSK 4080 & CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464. BSK 4082 (diag.2104) 2 Cor set 453 believed withdrawn from service
during period of 15th June 1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617
both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October 1964. |
454 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929. BTK 4077 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 28th
December 1936, BTK 4077 damaged possibly by enemy action early October 1940 and
replaced by BTK 4079 (ex.465) with
body of BTK 4077 broken up at Stewarts Lane (New Cross Gate report dated 27th
November 1940). Set
now formed: BTK 4079 (diag.2104) Set outshopped Lancing (damage) 12th
November 1941. Outshopped malachite 4th January 1945,
CLC 10th October 1954 and BR(S) Green 5th March 1958. 4 Cor set 454 was
reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963
CWNA with BSK 4078 & CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now formed: BSK 4079 (diag.2104) Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th
January 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock
W/E 25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been withdrawn and
marked condemned at Eastbourne. A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964
(reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles – Disposal’ [to
South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been sold to
Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been dispatched from
Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964. |
|
|
8 Cor Sets
(465 & 466)
Sets 465 and 466 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction
‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment
brakes. Formed 21st March 1929 (set 465) and 16th
April 1929 (set 466) both to HO order no. E286 in lined Olive livery. Allocated
new to the Central Division to work Eastbourne services (usually with the
addition of one or two Pullman cars) until the 1935 electrification.
Latterly employed
post-nationalisation as Special Traffic sets, set no.465 was downgraded in 1959
to a 6 Cor 2nd class-only set finishing its working life as the
Margate Miners’ Train.
These set numbers were
subsequent reused as 2 Cor sets for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor
set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead –
Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Set 465
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
21-Mar-29 |
|
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
7392 |
7393 |
834 |
4080 |
c.Aug-41
|
|
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
|
|
834 |
4080 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
4-Jun-45 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
|
4-Apr-46 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
|
10-Apr-46 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
4043 |
Oct-47
- Jun-55 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
4043 |
19-Sep-55 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
7390 |
7391 |
2363 |
834 |
|
|
BSK |
SK |
SK |
|
|
SK |
SK |
BSK |
12-Jan-59
|
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
|
|
2363 |
834 |
|
15-Jun-59 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
|
|
2363 |
834 |
4043
(error) |
2-Nov-59 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
|
|
2363 |
834 |
|
c.Feb-61 |
2791 |
833 |
|
|
|
|
|
3566 |
By
Jun-61 |
|
|
- |
|
|
- |
- |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reformed |
BSK |
CK |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun-63 |
4078 |
5170 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(Wdn
Sep-63) |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
Notes |
465 |
Released Eastleigh 21st March 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock. BTK 4079 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing paint 12th December 1935. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th October 1940 to
14th November 1940. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th
January 1941 to 15th February 1941. Following this damage repair
SR diag.131 BTK 3110 replaced BTK 4079 being a 56’ ex.LSWR
coach (built July 1911 - withdrawn February 1954). BTK 3110 (diag.131) Damage repair Eastleigh (Enemy Action) 3rd July 1944 to 7th
July 1944. TK 834 & BTK 3110 in Eastleigh 17th January 1945 to
22nd February 1945. Set reformed 4th June 1945 with BTK 3110 to Loose, FK 7392
& FK 7393 to Loose and replaced by BTK 2791 (ex.’Loose’
- diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock built
October - December 1935), TK 2362 & TK 2363 (both ex.’Loose’
Maunsell High-Window stock to diag.2003) as follows: BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW) Outshopped Malachite Lancing 8th October 1945. Set reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 removed thence to
set 466. Lancing Works record cards indicates these were replaced by BTK 2791
(diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock, built October - December 1935)
and BTK 3789 (ex.’Loose’ - Maunsell High-Window
Restriction ‘4’ coach to diag.2110) as follows: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) However, on 10th April 1946 BTK 3789 was sent to Loose with
six-compartment ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ (Restriction
‘4’) BTK 4043 (ex.471 – built c.December 1925)
being used instead: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Slight damage repair Lancing to BTK 4043 13th September
1946 to 19th December 1946. Note: FK 7658 (7 comp
‘Ironclad’ to diag.476 built Lancing December 1925) appears on the Lancing
Works record card for set 465 post 1948 as ‘ex.’Loose’
but is also crossed out. When or if it was intended to be used in set 465 is
unknown. Outshopped E-exam TK 2362, TK 2363, BTK 2791 & TK 4043 and A2-exam
TK 833, TK 834, FK 7390 & FK 7391 Lancing 5th December 1951 (so
CLC possibly not applied at this time). The 19th September 1955 CWNA shews
a change in coach order as follows: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) FK 7391 outshopped BR(S) Green Lancing 26th October 1956
thence stabled at Chichester. FK 7390, FK 7391, SK 833 & SK 834 received E4 exam Lancing (with
BTK 2791, TK 2362. SK 2363 & BTK 4043 receiving an A2 exam) outshopped
BR(S) Green livery 18-April 1957 FK 7390 & FK 7391 were removed from the set to Loose c.January
1959 and BSK 4043 (displaced and withdrawn August 1959) replaced by BSK 3754
(ex.455 built Eastleigh April 1933 with two Lavatory vents – painted
Malachite January 1948). The set was now allocated as ‘Margate Miners’
train’. BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a
change in coach order as follows although BSK 4043 had already been replaced
by BSK 3754 c.12th January 1959: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) ‘Thanet’ BSK 3566 (ex.388 via Loose built Eastleigh between October
1924 & March 1935 outshopped BR(S) Green February 1959) replaced BSK 3754
(condemned 9th October 1959 with the 2nd
November 1959 CWNA as follows: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Slight damage repair Lancing to SK 834 14th February 1961
to 23rd February 1961. TK 834 to Loose and TK 2362 & TK 2363 initlaay to Loose’ but withdrawn. Set reduced to 3 Cor as
follows: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Set 465 disbanded soon after (with remaining coaches to ‘Loose’
although BSK 3566 withdrawn November 1961 & SK 833 withdrawn December
1961) and did not appear in the 12th June
1961 Appendix for Carriage Working Notice. |
|
‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with
green Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454: BSK 4078 (diag.2104) Withdrawn December 1963. |
Set 466
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
Apr-29 |
4081 |
835 |
7394 |
7395 |
7396 |
7397 |
836 |
4082 |
c.1933 |
4081 |
835 |
7394 |
|
|
7397 |
|
4082 |
1941 |
|
835 |
7394 |
- |
- |
7397 |
836 |
4082 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
1945 |
4080 |
2360 |
835 |
7397 |
7392 |
836 |
2361 |
4082 |
Oct-47
– Jun-55 |
4080 |
2360 |
835 |
7397 |
7392 |
836 |
2361 |
4082 |
19-Sep-55 |
4080 |
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
15-Jun-59 |
|
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
2-Nov-59 |
|
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
13-Jun-60 |
6650 |
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
Disb. c.Jun-61 |
To
180 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
To
453 |
Reformed |
BSK |
CK |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun-63 |
4063 |
5153 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(Wdn ?) |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
Notes |
||||
466 |
Released Eastleigh 16th April 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock. BTK 4081 (diag.2104) c.1933 set reformed with FK 7395 & FK 7396 to ‘Loose’ as follows
with FK 7395 subsequently withdrawn December 1940 (Enemy Action): BTK 4081 (diag.2104) Outshopped Olive Lancing 23rd
May 1939. Entered Lancing 23rd December 1940 (damage repair)
outshopped 24th January 1941. FK 7397 entered Eastleigh 18th
June 1941 and outshopped 8th December 1941. 6 Cor set 465 entered Lancing Works
20th July 1943 (damage repair) outshopped 10th August
1943 with FK 7397 outshopped 9th October 1943. 1941. BTK 4081 withdrawn 17th November 1945 following an incident
at Woking on 10th November 1945. Set 466 (6 Cor) reformed 4th
April 1946 with BTK 4080 (ex.Set 465). BTK 4080 (diag.2104) Augmented to 8 Cor with 8-compt. High Window diag.2003 SK 2360 &
2361 (both ex.’Loose’) in 1945. BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW) Seven coaches of set 453 outshopped Lancing E4 exam Malachite Green 4th
June 1946 with FK 7394 outshopped Eastleigh paint 20th December
1946. BTK 4080 entered Eastleigh 7th March 1951 (damage repair)
and outshopped 24th May 1951. FK 7397 outshopped E4-exam (CLC?) Lancing 10th March 1954
(remainder A2) thence the remainder outshopped E4-exam Crimson Lake &
Cream (order being SK 2360, SK 2361, BSK 4080, FK 7392, SK 836, SK 835 &
BSK 4082) 10th July 1956 (FK 7397 A2 varnish). The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a
change in coach order as follows: BTK 4080
(diag.2104 LW) BTK 4080 removed to set 453 by 2nd November 1959 CWNA and
replaced with ‘Thanet’ BTK 3574 (diag.317 ex. set 220 via Loose.). BTK 3574 (diag.317 ‘Thanet’) BTK 3574 withdrawn November 1959 and replaced with High Window
Restriction ‘4’ BCK 6650 (ex.’Loose’ diag.2401). 13th
June 1960 CWNA as follows: BCK 6650 (diag.2401 HW) Set disbanded by June
1961 with 6650 to set 180, 4082 to set 453 and the remainder withdrawn July
1961. FK 7394 reclassified as TK 657 diag. 2022 June 1954 FK 7396 reclassified as TK 658 diag. 2022 May 1954 |
||||
|
‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with
Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 467: BSK 4063 (diag.2104) Withdrawn March 1965 |
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|
|
|
|
|
|
8 Cor Sets
(467 & 468)
Sets 467 and 468 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction
4 stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment
brakes. Formed 25th October 1928 (set 467) and 9th
November 1928 (set 468) both to HO order no. E160 in lined Olive livery.
Allocated to the South Eastern Division (SED).
Set 467 was reformed as a
2 Cor set for 17th June 1963. In
terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467
for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton -
Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Set
468 underwent numerous alterations (including damage from Enemy Action) and did
not carry Crimson Lake & Cream livery (see Individual Set Notes).
The Appendices to Carriage
Working Notices from 6th October 1947 shew set 468 allocated to
‘Rotherhithe Road for Special traffic’ then from 23rd May 1949 St.
Leonards for Special Traffic, 26th September 1949 ‘Blackheath for
Special Traffic’ before 5th
June 1950 from when it operated summer Hastings to LMR (later Hastings –
Inter Regional Trains) services (these services would have been via Eastbourne)
until 12th September 1960 (Maunsell set 468 last entry in a CWNA)
where it was allocated back at ‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ during the
winter timetable.
After set 468 was
disbanded in April 1961 a replacement BR(S) Green-liveried 10-set 468 was
formed from Bulleid and Mk1 stock (later 11RB) in June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour (Day Boat).
Formation details and subsequent changes are included under Individual Set Notes.
Set 467
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
BTK |
25-Oct-28 |
4063 |
765 |
5151 |
5152 |
5153 |
5154 |
766 |
4064 |
c.1933 |
4063 |
|
5151 |
5152 |
5153 |
5154 |
766 |
4064 |
|
BTK |
CK |
Rest. |
CK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
BTK |
6-Oct-47 |
4063 |
5151 |
‡ |
5153 |
766 |
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
27-Sep-48 |
4063 |
5151 |
‡ |
5153 |
|
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
23-May-49 |
4063 |
5151 |
- |
5153 |
- |
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
26-Sep-49 |
4063 |
|
- |
5153 |
- |
5154 |
|
4064 |
Jun-50
– Jun-62 |
4063 |
- |
- |
5153 |
- |
5154 |
- |
4064 |
Mar-63 |
|
|
|
|
|
5154 |
|
4064 |
17-Jun-63
CWNA |
|
|
|
|
|
5154 |
|
4064 |
Wdn. |
(Mar-65) |
|
|
(Mar-65) |
|
Mar-65 |
|
May
65 |
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
467 |
8 Cor released Eastleigh Works 25th October 1928: BTK 4063 (diag.2101) Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 as follows: BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 17th February 1937 (Olive), 27th
October 1943 and 15th December 1948 (Malachite). No records
after 1954 but given its 1948 painting date CLC livery was unlikely. Restaurant car added by 6th October 1947 CWNA. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) ‡ Not stencilled with set number. Reformed with Restaurant Car and TK 766 removed by 23rd May
1949 CWNA. TK 766 into set 468 26th May 1949. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Reformed with CK 5152 removed (to 218) by 5th June 1950
CWNA. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Reformed as 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 with BSK 4063
& CK 5153 to ‘new’ 2 Cor set 466. BSK 4064 (diag.2104) Set out-of-use (September 1964?) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn
May 1965. |
Set 468
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
BTK |
9-Nov-28 |
4065 |
767 |
5155 |
5156 |
5157 |
5158 |
768 |
4066 |
c.1933 |
" |
" |
" |
" |
" |
|
" |
" |
|
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
2-Jan-35 |
4065 |
767 |
5155 |
5156 |
|
765 |
768 |
4066 |
1-Sep-45 |
|
767 |
|
|
- |
765 |
768 |
4066 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
1946 |
4095 |
765 |
767 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
- |