BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard

 

© BloodandCustard

Passenger Carrying Coaches
Maunsell Low-Window Stock

(390-399, 445-448, 449-454, 465-470)

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated

No.3215 in set 390 at Micheldever (c.1956-1957).

© Lens of Sutton (Mike King collection)

 

 

This page covers the following Maunsell Low Window sets
(Restriction ‘1’ & 4)

3 Cor

390 - 399

(1928 to 1961)

3 Cor

445 - 448

(1928 to 1961)

4 Cor

449 - 454

(1929 to 1965)

2 Cor

460 - 461

(1963 to 1964)

2 Cor

463 - 464

(1963 to 1964)

8 Cor

465 - 466

(1929 to 1965)

8 Cor

467 - 468

(1961 to 1963)

8 Cor

469 - 470

(1928 to 1959)

 

 

 

 

 

Because of their inter-related history this page also
covers all of 2 Cor CWNA ‘E’ sets in
Appendix 2
(Restriction ‘1’)

2 Cor

180 - 192

(1962 to 1964)

2 Cor

217 - 219

(1962 to 1964)

2 Cor

444 – 467

(1958 to 1964)

 

Set Numbering Conventions

BR(S) convention meant each set was normally arranged with the coach conveying first-class (CK) positioned adjacent to the higher-numbered BTK. On four coach sets this convention also positioned the corridor to the compartments on the same-side placing first-class towards the middle of each four-coach set.

Liveries

Original livery was lined Olive with the lining being dropped c.1935. Malachite followed and Lancing Carriage works was still releasing repainted stock in SR Malachite Green early February 1949 with Crimson Lake (and Cream) appearing at least by March 1949.

The last Crimson Lake & Cream (CLC) vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appear to be loose-allocated High Window Maunsell SK S1376S on 17th July 1956 which followed set 466 (all of its eight coaches variously outshopped between 18th June 1956 and 10th July 1956) and individual coach 7964 (from CLC Set 440) along with Loose Second Open 1218.

The first BR Green-livery set outshopped by Lancing was set 974 on 11th July 1956 and the on the 18th July 1956 Bulleid SK S61S was the first coach repainted from Crimson Lake & Cream into Green-livery.

Abolition of Second Class

Third-class was designated second-class following the abolition of second-class by British Railways on Sunday 3rd June 1956. In the tables below coaches are described as Third-class unless they were inserted into a set after 3rd June 1956 when Second Class is used.

 

Key

Notes

 

CLC

BR Crimson Lake & Cream-livery

 

G

BR(S) Green-livery

R4

Restriction 4 (C1 restriction is the BR equivalent)

Not stencilled with set number

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes on reading these tables

In the tables below coaches are included up to the date given in the left hand-column. If the coach number is crossed out then it was removed from that set at the next reformation with its replacement stated against the next formation (i.e. row beneath).

 

 

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated with medium confidence

No.3224 in set 395 at Eastleigh on 21st September 1959.

© Ted West (Mike King collection)

 

New 3 Cor Sets
(390 to 399)

Sets 390 to 399 were the first of the Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed July 1926 (390-395) & October 1926 (396-399) to HO order no. E94 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 3214 to 3233; the CK being 5137 to 5146. These coaches remained in their allotted set without change until withdrawal.

The following sets were annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 390 (no intermediate buffers between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 – inspected 14th June 1944), 391, 392, 393 (except the 1st class end of 5137), 394, 395, 396, 397, 398 & 399.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

390

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3214

5138

3215

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

391

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3216

5139

3217

Wdn

12-Apr-58

 

 

 

392

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3218

5141

3219

Wdn

9-Oct-59

 

 

 

393

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3220

5137

3221

Wdn

12-Jul-58

 

 

 

394

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3222

5143

3223

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

395

Jul-26
(3 Cor)

3224

5146

3225

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

396

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3228

5140

3229

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

397

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3226

5142

3231

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

398

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3227

5144

3230

Wdn
Scrapped

Dec-61
c.Jun-64

 

 

 

399

Oct-26
(3 Cor)

3232

5145

3233

Wdn

Nov-61

 

 

 

 

 

Liveries

Set
No.

Livery

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

390

Olive
(new)

3214

5138

3215

 

Malachite

< 13-Jul-44 >

 

CLC

< 9-Oct-53 >

 

G

< 17-Dec-57 >

391

Olive
(new)

3216

5139

3217

 

Malachite

< 13-Jan-45 >

 

CLC

< ? >

 

G

< ? >

392

Olive
(new)

3218

5141

3219

 

Malachite

< 15-Feb-45 >

 

CLC

< Nov-53 >

 

G

< 11-Nov-57 >

393

Olive
(new)

3220

5137

3221

 

Malachite

< 5-Feb-41 >

 

CLC

< Yes >

 

G

< ? >

394

Olive
(new)

3222

5143

3223

 

Malachite

< 27-Oct-44 >

 

CLC

< 6-Mar-53 >

 

G

10-Jan-57

31-Dec-56

10-Jan-57

395

Olive
(new)

3224

5146

3225

 

Malachite

< 28-Mar-44 >

 

CLC

< 29-Jun-55 >

 

G

< 8-Apr-58 >

396

Olive
(new)

3228

5140

3229

 

Malachite

< 25-Jan-45 >

 

CLC

< 10-Dec-52 >

 

 

G

11-Jul-58

24-Jul-56

11-Jul-58

397

Olive
(new)

3226

5142

3231

 

Malachite

< 14-Nov-46 >

 

CLC

< 28-Jul-55 >

 

G

< 6-Jun-57 >

398

Olive
(new)

3227

5144

3230

 

Malachite

< 4-Jul-46 >

 

CLC

< 1-Sep-54 >

 

G

17-Dec-56

20-Dec-56

10-Dec-56

399

Olive
(new)

3232

5145

3233

 

Malachite

< 11-Nov-47 >

 

CLC

< Not painted CLC >

 

G

27-Jul-56

25-Jul-56

26-Jul-56

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(390 – 399)

Set

 

Notes

 

390

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3214 (diag.2101)
CK 5138 (diag.2301)
BTK 3215 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th July 1944 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 3rd April 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 8th August 1941.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 9th October 1953 thence Green on 17th November 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 17th November 1959.

Set 390 had its intermediate buffers removed between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944).

Set 390 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

391

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3216 (diag.2101)
CK 5139 (diag.2301)
BTK 3217 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July 1936 and 13th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 24th March 1947.

Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have received Green.

Set 391 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 391 was withdrawn 12th April 1958.

 

392

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3218 (diag.2101)
CK 5141 (diag.2301)
BTK 3219 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 16th December 1935 and 15th February 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 17th December 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 3rd August 1940.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 17th November 1953 but may or may not have received Green.

Set 392 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 392 was withdrawn 9th October 1959. Memo dated 26th September 1959 to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ reference RS/51/1/51A/BA from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer stated set 392 at Micheldever to be marked as condemned.

 

393

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3220 (diag.2101)
CK 5137 (diag.2301)
BTK 3221 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 18th December 1930, 11th March 1935 and 5th February 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 2nd January 1948.

Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have received Green.

Set 393 had its intermediate buffers removed excepting between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944).

Set 393 was withdrawn 12th July 1958.

 

394

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3222 (diag.2101)
CK 5143 (diag.2301)
BTK 3223 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 22nd December 1930, 18th February 1935 and 27th October 1944 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1947.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair to 3223) on 17th April 1939 and (damage repair to 5143) on 6th September 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 15th May 1947.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 6th March 1953 thence CK into Green on 31st December 1956 with the BSKs’ following on 10th January 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 4th January 1961.

Set 394 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 394 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

395

3 Cor formed July 1926:

BTK 3224 (diag.2101)
CK 5146 (diag.2301)
BTK 3225 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 6th February 1931, 27th May 1935 and 28th March 1944 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 10th April 1941.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 10th April 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 2nd April 1948.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 29th July 1953 thence Green on 8th April 1958. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960.

Set 395 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 395 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

396

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3228 (diag.2101)
CK 5140 (diag.2301)
BTK 3229 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 26th February 1936 and 25th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th September 1946.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 10th December 1952 thence CK into Green on 24th July 1956 with the BSKs following on 11th July 1958. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 4th November 1954 and 12th November 1954 with all being outshopped from Eastleigh 22nd March 1961 (light repairs).

Set 396 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 396 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

397

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3226 (diag.2101)
CK 5142 (diag.2301)
BTK 3231 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 14th April 1931, 26th June 1936 and 14th November 1946 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th September 1943.

It was outshopped from Lancing (damage) on 18th September 1943.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 28th July 1955 thence Green on 6th June 1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 12th April 1961.

Set 397 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 397 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

398

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3227 (diag.2101)
CK 5144 (diag.2301)
BTK 3230 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 30th April 1931, 21st August 1935 and 4th July 1946 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 18th June 1943.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 1st September 1954 thence Green on 20th December 1956. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th February 1961.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 24th December 1954.

Set 398 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 398 was withdrawn December 1961. Waterloo Inspector’s memos dated 4th July 1962 and 7th November 1962 identify set 398  being stored at Worthy Down (annotated no intermediate buffers). Set was dispatched as part of train no.7 from Andover Junction to Birds Motors (Llanelly) Wednesday, 3rd June 1964 (sold 2nd May 1964).

 

399

3 Cor formed October 1926:

BTK 3232 (diag.2101)
CK 5145 (diag.2301)
BTK 3233 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 20th October 1930, 4th October 1937 and 14th November 1947 after its last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 13th May 1944.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped 28th July 1955 thence Green on 27th July 1956 and did not receive Crimson Lake & Cream livery. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th July 1958.

Set 399 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Set 399 was withdrawn November 1961.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

A train on the railway tracks

Description automatically generated

Condemned 5149 (ex. set 447) at Horsted Keynes on 26th September 1959

© Denis Cullum (Mike King collection)

 

3 Cor Sets
(445 to 448)

Sets 445 to 448 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company in August to September 1928. These had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed August 1928 (445-446) and September 1928 (447-448) to HO order no. E??? in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4055 to 4062 to diag.2101; the CK being 5147 to 5150 to diag.2301.

The following sets were annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’ these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 445, 446, 447 (except the 1st class end of CK 5149) & 448.

Following withdrawal these set numbers were reused for 2 Cor sets as follows: 187 became 445, 188 became 446, 189 became 447 and set 190 became 448. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

445

Aug-28
(3 Cor)

4055

5147

4056

Wdn

11-Oct-58

 

 

 

446

17-Aug-28
(3 Cor)

4057

5148

4058

Wdn

28-Apr-61

 

 

 

447

Sep-28
(3 Cor)

4059

5149

4061

Wdn

4-Jul-59

 

 

 

448

Sep-28
(3 Cor)

4060

5150

4062
(to set 436)

Wdn

20-Sep-58

20-Sep-58

20-Sep-58

(5-Jan-61)

 

Liveries

Set
No.

Liveries

BTK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

445

Olive
(new)

4055

5147

4056

 

Malachite

 

< ? >

 

 

CLC

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

G

17-Sep-57

17-Sep-57

18-Sep-57

446

Olive
(new)

4057

5148

4058

 

Malachite

< 13-Jun-41 >

 

CLC

< 30-May-51 >

 

G

27-Mar-58

21-Nov-57

3-Dec-57

447

Olive
(new)

4059

5149

4061

 

Malachite

< 21-Dec-46 >

 

CLC

Yes

Yes

Yes

 

G

4-Feb-57

5-Feb-57

5-Feb-57

448

Olive
(new)

4060

5150

4062

 

Malachite

< 22-May-46 >

 

CLC

 

< n/k >

 

 

G

16-Oct-56

23-Oct-56

16-Oct-56

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(445 – 448)

Set

 

Notes

 

445

3 Cor formed August 1928:

BTK 4055 (diag.2101)
CK 5147 (diag.2301)
BTK 4056 (diag.2101)

Set 445 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 19th February 1937 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 16th November 1943.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing.

Set 445 was withdrawn 11th October 1959.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3697 (diag.2104)

CK 5607 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

446

3 Cor formed 17th August 1928:

BTK 4057 (diag.2101)
CK 5148 (diag.2301)
BTK 4058 (diag.2101)

Set 446 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 30th January 1935 thence 13th June 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 19th May 1947.

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (damage repair) on 18th December 1939.

Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream livery 30th May1951 thence Green on 27th March 1958 (date of last vehicle painted).

It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 15th July 1954.

 

Set 446 was sent to Hassocks on 25th March 1960 for onward transit to Lancing following withdrawal on 11th October 1959.

Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under & awaiting repairs’ to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 + 1801 SK as being at Hassocks as follows:

W/E 28-1-61 (dated 27th January 1961)

W/E 4-2-61 (dated 4th February 1961)

W/E 18-2-61 (dated 17th February 1961)

W/E 25-2-61 (dated 24th February 1961)

W/E 4-3-61 (dated 3rd March 1961)

Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under & awaiting repairs W/E 11-3-61’ (dated 10th March 1961) to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 as being at Seaford.

Memo titled ‘Withdrawal of Coaching Stock Phase 11’ (dated 13th May 1961) to M.S. Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (Ref. RS/51/3/1D) states set 446 at Seaford to be marked as condemned, carded to Newhaven for disposal of bodies and bogies, underframes to Lancing.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3699 (diag.2104)

CK 5609 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

447

3 Cor formed September 1928:

BTK 4059 (diag.2101)
CK 5149 (diag.2301)
BTK 4061 (diag.2101)

Set 447 had its intermediate buffers removed with the exception of 1st class end of CK 5149 (adjacent BTK 4061 had its intermediate buffers removed).

Lancing painting date 1st July 1937 thence 21st December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th June 1947.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Crimson Lake & Cream livery date not known. Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 5th February 1957.

Set 447 was withdrawn Lancing 11th October 1959. Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 18-7-59’ (dated 22nd July 1959) to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/61A/BO) states set 447 at Horsted Keynes as ‘not yet marked’ as condemned.

Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal. Stock berthed at Horsted Keynes 8-9-59’ (dated 9th September 1959) to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/51/BA) reports “It has been reported by the Station Master to the Railway Police that the tool boxes in the berthed stock have been broken open and contents stolen. I have inspected a large number of these berthed vehicles and report my findings as follows: - Commencing Ardingly end: [comprehensive list of stock follows]”

In terms of stock inspected on 9th (September 1959) against set 447 the report only records the two brake coaches:

BSK 4059 In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. Lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been removed at Lancing, no record.

BSK 4061 Stripped at Lancing Empty box on floor. In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. All compartment doors stripped down and inside vehicle, lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been dealt with prior to dispatch from Lancing, no record.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3705 (diag.2104)

CK 5619 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

448

3 Cor formed September 1928:

BTK 4060 (diag.2101)
CK 5150 (diag.2301)
BTK 4062 (diag.2101)

Set 448 had its intermediate buffers removed.

Lancing painting date 1st July1937 thence 21st December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th June 1947.

Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Outshopping BR(S) Green completed BR(S) Green 23rd October 1956.

Set 448 was disbanded with BTK 4060 & CK 5150 withdrawn at Lancing on 20th September 1959. BTK 4062 went to set 436.

BTK 4062 to set 436 replacing BTK 3188 (which was removed from set 436 and withdrawn at Lancing on 4th October 1958). BTK 4062 was repainted 8th December 1958 and was withdrawn from set 436 on 5th January 1962.

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA.

BSK 3707 (diag.2104)

CK 5621 (diag.2302)

Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 30th January 1965.

 

 

 

 

 

4 Cor Sets
(449-454) HO no.288

Sets 449 to 454 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 4th January 1929 (449-450), 2nd February 1929 (451-452), 26th February 1929 (453) & 25th February 1929 (454) to HO order no. E288 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4067 to 4078; the CK being 5159 to 5170. Most of these coaches remained in their allotted set without change until withdrawal.

Towards the end of their lives the following sets were reduced to 2 Cor: 449, 450, 451 with ‘new’ 2 Cor sets formed from the coaches removed from these sets. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Formation

Set
No.

Formed

BTK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

449

4-Jan-29
(4 Cor)

4067

5159

5160

4068

 

c.Sep-62

4067

5159

5160
(to 460)

4068
(to 460)

Wdn.

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

 

450

4-Jan-29
(4 Cor)

4069

5161

5162

4070

 

Feb-61
(4 Cor)

4069
(2-Feb-61)

5161
(2-Feb-61)

5162
(2-Feb-61)

4070
(2-Feb-61)

Wdn.

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

2-Feb-61

Reformed

by 18-Jun-62
(4 Cor)

(BSO)
4447

5630

5632

(BSO)
4448

 

c.Sep-1962
(2 Cor)

(BSO)
4447

5630

5632
(to 461)

(BSO)
4448
(to 461)

Wdn.

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

27-Mar-65

 

 

451

2-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4071

5163

5164

4072

 

c.Sep-1962
(2 Cor)

4071

5163

5164
(to 463)

4072
(to 463)

Wdn.

16-May-64

16-May-64

16-May-64

 

 

452

2-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4073

5165

5166

4074

Wdn.

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

31-Oct-59

Reformed

18-Jun-62
(CWNA)

(BSO)
4432

5610
W 30-Oct-64

5633

(BSO)
4443

 

17-Jun-63
(CWNA)

(BSO)
4432

5610

5633
(462)

(BSO)
4443
(462)

Wdn.

oou Nov-63?

12-Mar-64

By 30-Oct-64

 

 

453

26-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4075

5167

5168

4076

 

9-Oct-59
(Withdrawn)

4075

5167

5168

4076

 

Wdn

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

26-Sep-59

Reformed

18-Nov-59
(4 Cor)

4092
(ex.156)

5626
(ex.464)

5617
(ex.455)

4080
(ex.466)

 

10-May-61

4092
(W 12-Jul-59)

"

"

"

 

by 12-Jul-61
(4 Cor)

4082
(ex.466)

"

"

"

 

17-Jun-63

4082

5626
(to 464)

5617

4080
(to 464)

 

Wdn

1-Oct-64

 

1-Oct-64

 

454

25-Feb-29
(4 Cor)

4077
(W 27-Nov-40)

5169

5170

4078

 

Nov-40
(4 Cor)

4079

5169

5170

4078

 

17-Jun-63
(2 Cor)

4079

5169

5170
(to 465)

4078
(to 465)

Wdn.

Dec-63

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes
(450 – 454)

Set

Notes

449

4 Cor released Eastleigh 4th January 1929.

BTK 4067 (diag.2104)
CK 5159 (diag.2302)
CK 5160 (diag.2302)
BTK 4068 (diag.2104)

From Crimson Lake & Cream livery, outshopping BR(S) Green completed 6th February 1957.

Reformed to 2 Cor in 21st August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK 5160 to set 460):

BSK 4067 (diag.2104)
CK 5159 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

450

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929.

BTK 4069 (diag.2104)
CK 5161 (diag.2302)
CK 5162 (diag.2302)
BTK 4070 (diag.2104)

Set outshopped Malachite 25th January 1943, CLC 16th July 1952 thence BR(S) Green 13th January 1958.

These four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961.

 

 

‘New’ 4 Cor set 450 formed (by 18th June 1962) with BR(S) Green nondescript BSO and High Window restriction ‘1’ CK stock as follows:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)
CK 5632 (diag.2302)
BSO 4448 (diag.2654)

Circa September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with BSO 4448 and CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed:

BSO 4447 (diag.2654)
CK 5630 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn 27th March 1965.

 

451

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929.

BTK 4071 (diag.2104)
CK 5163 (diag.2302)
CK 5164 (diag.2302)
BTK 4072 (diag.2104)

Set repainted Olive 17th February 1936, outshopped Malachite 16th May 1946, CLC 16th September 1954 thence BR(S) Green 14th August 1958.

Reformed to 2 Cor in September 1962 (for 17th June 1963 CWNA) as follows (with BSK 4072 and CK 5164 to set 463):

BSK 4071 (diag.2104)
CK 5163 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn 16th May 1964.

 

452

4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929.

BTK 4073 (diag.2104)
CK 5165 (diag.2302)
CK 5166 (diag.2302)
BTK 4074 (diag.2104)

Damage repairs at Lancing 20th February 1941 to 7th March 1941.

Set repainted Olive 30th November, outshopped Malachite 20th March 1944 & 8th December 1948. This set may not have received CLC and was not outshopped BR(S) Green before being condemned on 31st October 1959 (it had been included in the 2nd November 1959 CWNA).

 

 

Replacement 4 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 18th June 1962 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & BSO 4433 were nondescript brakes; CK 5610 & CK 5633 High-Window coaches.

BSO 4432 (diag.2654)

CK 5610 (diag.2302)

CK 5633 (diag.2302)

BSO 4433 (diag.2654)

Reformed to 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & CK 5633 to 2 Cor set 462.

BSO 4432 (diag.2654)

CK 5610 (diag.2302)

Set possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964.

 

453

4 Cor released Eastleigh 26th February 1929.

BTK 4075 (diag.2104)
CK 5168 (diag.2302)
CK 5167 (diag.2302)
BTK 4076 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 26th June 1936, Malachite 4th September 1943, CLC 12th July 1949 and BR(S) Green 3rd October 1958.

Set 453 was withdrawn from Brighton 26th September 1959 (Lancing Works record card states condemned 9th October 1959). In a memo dated 29th September 1959 to F J Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ (ref. RS/51/1/51A/BA) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer identifies BSK 4075, CK 5167, CK 5168 & BSK 4076 of 453 Set ‘Brighton to Newhaven direct, marked condemned’.

 

 

Replacement 4 Cor set 453 was formed October 1959 (appearing in 2nd November 1959 CWNA) with BR(S) Green liveried coaches as follows:

BSK 4092 (diag.2104)
CK 5626 (diag.2302)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104)

BSK 4092 was a Restriction ‘1’ high-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh November 1929 originally from set 183 via Loose & set 156.

CK 5626 and CK 5617 were Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composites to diag.2302 built Eastleigh between January & April 1931. CK 5626 was originally from set 219 (released 14th April 1931) via Loose and set 464 while CK 5617 was originally from set 218 (released 26th February 1931) via set 455.

BSK 4080 was a Restriction ‘1’ low-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh between January & March 1929 originally from set 465 (released 21st March 1929) via set 466.

2nd November 1959 CWNA stated CK 5676 instead of CK 5616 (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5676 + 4080). However, this is amended to CK 5626 by 13th June 1960 CWNA (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5626 + 4080). CK 5676 had been withdrawn in October 1959.

In a memo dated 10th May 1961 to M S Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer stated “BSK No. 4092 of 453 Set is in very bad condition, and I suggest BSK 4082 P7-56, V4-58 on this A list be retained and the former withdrawn.” No. 4092 was summarily withdrawn and the set reformed:

Note – this change did not take place in time for the 12th June 1961 CWNA) which still shewed BSK 4092.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104)
CK 5626 (diag.2302)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)
BSK 4080 (diag.2104)

4 Cor set 453 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4080 & CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464.

BSK 4082 (diag.2104)
CK 5617 (diag.2302)

2 Cor set 453 believed withdrawn from service during period of 15th June 1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617 both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October 1964.

 

454

4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929.

BTK 4077 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)
BTK 4078 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 28th December 1936,

BTK 4077 damaged possibly by enemy action early October 1940 and replaced by BTK 4079  (ex.465) with body of BTK 4077 broken up at Stewarts Lane (New Cross Gate report dated 27th November 1940). Set now formed:

BTK 4079 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)
BTK 4078 (diag.2104)

Set outshopped Lancing (damage) 12th November 1941.

Outshopped malachite 4th January 1945, CLC 10th October 1954 and BR(S) Green 5th March 1958.

4 Cor set 454 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4078 & CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now formed:

BSK 4079 (diag.2104)
CK 5169 (diag.2302)

Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th January 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at Eastbourne.

A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964 (reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles – Disposal’ [to South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been sold to Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been dispatched from Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 Cor Sets
(465 & 466)

Sets 465 and 466 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 21st March 1929 (set 465) and 16th April 1929 (set 466) both to HO order no. E286 in lined Olive livery. Allocated new to the Central Division to work Eastbourne services (usually with the addition of one or two Pullman cars) until the 1935 electrification.

Latterly employed post-nationalisation as Special Traffic sets, set no.465 was downgraded in 1959 to a 6 Cor 2nd class-only set finishing its working life as the Margate Miners’ Train.

These set numbers were subsequent reused as 2 Cor sets for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

 

Set 465

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

21-Mar-29
New 8 Cor

4079
(to 454)

833

7390

7391

7392

7393

834

4080

c.Aug-41
(8 Cor)

3110
(to Loose)

833

7390

7391

7392
(to Loose)

7393
(to Loose)

834

4080

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

4-Jun-45
(8 Cor)

2791
(ex.’Loose’)

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4080
(to 466)

4-Apr-46
(8 Cor)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

3789
(ex./to Loose)

10-Apr-46
(8 Cor)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4043
(ex.471)

Oct-47 - Jun-55
(CWNA)

2791

2362

833

7390

7391

834

2363

4043

19-Sep-55
(CWNA)

2791

833

2362

7390

7391

2363

834

4043
(Displaced)

 

BSK
No.

SK
No.

SK
No.

 

 

SK
No.

SK
No.

BSK
No.

12-Jan-59
(6 Cor)

2791

833

2362

 

 

2363

834

3754
(ex.455)

15-Jun-59
(CWNA)

2791

833

2362

 

 

2363

834

4043 (error)
(was 3754)

2-Nov-59
(6 Cor)

2791

833

2362

 

 

2363

834


3566

(ex.’Loose’)

c.Feb-61
(3 Cor)

2791

833

2362
(to ‘L’ & Wdn)

 

 

2363
(to ‘L’ & Wdn)

834
(to Loose)

3566

By Jun-61
(Disb.)

2791
(to Loose)

833
(to Loose)

-

 

 

-

-

3566
(Wdn Nov-61)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Reformed

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jun-63

4078
(ex.454)

5170
(ex.454)

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Wdn Sep-63)

Dec-63

Dec-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

Notes

465

Released Eastleigh 21st March 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock.

BTK 4079 (diag.2104)
TK 833 (diag.2003)
FK 7390 (diag.2502)
FK 7391 (diag.2502)
FK 7392 (diag.2502)
FK 7393 (diag.2502)
TK 834 (diag.2003)
BTK 4080 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Lancing paint 12th December 1935.

Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th October 1940 to 14th November 1940. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th January 1941 to 15th February 1941. Following this damage repair SR diag.131 BTK 3110 replaced BTK 4079 being a 56’ ex.LSWR coach (built July 1911 - withdrawn February 1954).

BTK 3110 (diag.131)
TK 833
(diag.2003)
FK 7390
(diag.2502)
FK 7391
(diag.2502)
FK 7392
(diag.2502)
FK 7393
(diag.2502)
TK 834
(diag.2003)
BTK 4080
(diag.2104)

Damage repair Eastleigh (Enemy Action) 3rd July 1944 to 7th July 1944. TK 834 & BTK 3110 in Eastleigh 17th January 1945 to 22nd February 1945.

Set reformed 4th June 1945 with BTK 3110 to Loose, FK 7392 & FK 7393 to Loose and replaced by BTK 2791 (ex.’Loose’ - diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock built October - December 1935), TK 2362 & TK 2363 (both ex.’Loose’ Maunsell High-Window stock to diag.2003) as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
BTK 4080
(diag.2110 HW)

Outshopped Malachite Lancing 8th October 1945.

Set reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 removed thence to set 466. Lancing Works record cards indicates these were replaced by BTK 2791 (diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock, built October - December 1935) and BTK 3789 (ex.’Loose’ - Maunsell High-Window Restriction ‘4’ coach to diag.2110) as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

BTK 3789 (diag.2110 HW)

However, on 10th April 1946 BTK 3789 was sent to Loose with six-compartment ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ (Restriction ‘4’) BTK 4043 (ex.471 – built c.December 1925) being used instead:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

BTK 4043 (diag.137 ‘Ironclad’)

Slight damage repair Lancing to BTK 4043 13th September 1946 to 19th December 1946.

Note: FK 7658 (7 comp ‘Ironclad’ to diag.476 built Lancing December 1925) appears on the Lancing Works record card for set 465 post 1948 as ‘ex.’Loose’ but is also crossed out. When or if it was intended to be used in set 465 is unknown.

Outshopped E-exam TK 2362, TK 2363, BTK 2791 & TK 4043 and A2-exam TK 833, TK 834, FK 7390 & FK 7391 Lancing 5th December 1951 (so CLC possibly not applied at this time).

The 19th September 1955 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows:

BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
TK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7390
(diag.2502 LW)
FK 7391
(diag.2502 LW)
TK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)

TK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4043
(diag.137 ‘Ironclad’)

FK 7391 outshopped BR(S) Green Lancing 26th October 1956 thence stabled at Chichester.

FK 7390, FK 7391, SK 833 & SK 834 received E4 exam Lancing (with BTK 2791, TK 2362. SK 2363 & BTK 4043 receiving an A2 exam) outshopped BR(S) Green livery 18-April 1957

FK 7390  & FK 7391 were removed from the set to Loose c.January 1959 and BSK 4043 (displaced and withdrawn August 1959) replaced by BSK 3754 (ex.455 built Eastleigh April 1933 with two Lavatory vents – painted Malachite January 1948). The set was now allocated as ‘Margate Miners’ train’.

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3754 (diag.2102 HW)

The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows although BSK 4043 had already been replaced by BSK 3754 c.12th January 1959:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 4043
[should state 3754]

‘Thanet’ BSK 3566 (ex.388 via Loose built Eastleigh between October 1924 & March 1935 outshopped BR(S) Green February 1959) replaced BSK 3754 (condemned 9th October 1959 with the 2nd November 1959 CWNA as follows:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
SK 2362 (diag.2003 HW)

SK 2363 (diag.2003 HW)
SK 834
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3566 (diag.165 ‘Thanet’)

Slight damage repair Lancing to SK 834 14th February 1961 to 23rd February 1961. TK 834 to Loose and TK 2362 & TK 2363 initlaay to Loose’ but withdrawn. Set reduced to 3 Cor as follows:

BSK 2791 (diag.2113 HW)
SK 833
(diag.2003 LW)
BSK 3566 (diag.165 ‘Thanet’)

Set 465 disbanded soon after (with remaining coaches to ‘Loose’ although BSK 3566 withdrawn November 1961 & SK 833 withdrawn December 1961) and did not appear in the 12th June 1961 Appendix for Carriage Working Notice.

 

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with green Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454:

BSK 4078 (diag.2104)
CK 5170 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn December 1963.

 

 

 

Set 466

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

Apr-29
New 8 Cor

4081

835

7394

7395

7396

7397

836

4082

c.1933
(6 Cor)

4081

835

7394

7395
(to Loose)

7396
(to Loose)

7397

836
(to Loose)

4082

1941
(6 Cor)

4081
Wdn. Nov.45

835

7394

-

-

7397

836

4082

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

FK
No.

FK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

1945
(8 Cor)

4080

2360
(ex.’Loose’)

835

7397

7392

836

2361
(ex.’Loose’)

4082

Oct-47 – Jun-55
(CWNA)

4080

2360

835

7397

7392

836

2361

4082

19-Sep-55
(CWNA)

4080

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

15-Jun-59
(CWNA)

4080
(To 453)

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

2-Nov-59
(CWNA)

3574
(ex.220 via L)
Wdn Nov-59

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

13-Jun-60
(CWNA)

6650
(ex.’Loose’)

835

2360

7392

7397

2361

836

4082

Disb. c.Jun-61

To 180

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

Jul-61

To 453
(Wdn. Dec-61)

Reformed

BSK
No.

CK
No.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Jun-63

4063
(ex.467)

5153
(ex.467)

 

 

 

 

 

 

(Wdn ?)

Mar-65

Mar-65

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

Notes

466

Released Eastleigh 16th April 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock.

BTK 4081 (diag.2104)
TK 835 (diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7395 (diag.2502)
FK 7396 (diag.2502)
FK 7397 (diag.2003)
TK 836 (diag.2003)
BTK 4082 (diag.2104)

c.1933 set reformed with FK 7395 & FK 7396 to ‘Loose’ as follows with FK 7395 subsequently withdrawn December 1940 (Enemy Action):

BTK 4081 (diag.2104)
TK 835 (diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7397 (diag.2003)
TK 836 (diag.2003)
BTK 4082 (diag.2104)

Outshopped Olive Lancing 23rd May 1939.

Entered Lancing 23rd December 1940 (damage repair) outshopped 24th January 1941.

FK 7397 entered Eastleigh 18th June 1941 and outshopped 8th December 1941.

6 Cor set 465 entered Lancing Works 20th July 1943 (damage repair) outshopped 10th August 1943 with FK 7397 outshopped 9th October 1943. 1941.

BTK 4081 withdrawn 17th November 1945 following an incident at Woking on 10th November 1945. Set 466 (6 Cor) reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 (ex.Set 465).

BTK 4080 (diag.2104)
TK 835
(diag.2003)
FK 7394 (diag.2502)

FK 7397 (diag.2003)

TK 836
(diag.2003)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104)

Augmented to 8 Cor with 8-compt. High Window diag.2003 SK 2360 & 2361 (both ex.’Loose’) in 1945.

BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
FK 7394 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

Seven coaches of set 453 outshopped Lancing E4 exam Malachite Green 4th June 1946 with FK 7394 outshopped Eastleigh paint 20th December 1946.

BTK 4080 entered Eastleigh 7th March 1951 (damage repair) and outshopped 24th May 1951.

FK 7397 outshopped E4-exam (CLC?) Lancing 10th March 1954 (remainder A2) thence the remainder outshopped E4-exam Crimson Lake & Cream (order being SK 2360, SK 2361, BSK 4080, FK 7392, SK 836, SK 835 & BSK 4082) 10th July 1956 (FK 7397 A2 varnish).

The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as follows:

BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

BTK 4080 removed to set 453 by 2nd November 1959 CWNA and replaced with ‘Thanet’ BTK 3574 (diag.317 ex. set 220 via Loose.).

BTK 3574 (diag.317 ‘Thanet’)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

BTK 3574 withdrawn November 1959 and replaced with High Window Restriction ‘4’ BCK 6650 (ex.’Loose’ diag.2401). 13th June 1960 CWNA as follows:

BCK 6650 (diag.2401 HW)
TK 835
(diag.2003 LW)
TK 2360 (diag.2003 HW)

FK 7392 (diag.2502 LW)

FK 7397 (diag.2003 LW)

TK 2361 (diag.2003 HW)
TK 836
(diag.2003 LW)
BTK 4082
(diag.2104 LW)

Set disbanded by June 1961 with 6650 to set 180, 4082 to set 453 and the remainder withdrawn July 1961.

FK 7394 reclassified as TK 657 diag. 2022 June 1954

FK 7396 reclassified as TK 658 diag. 2022 May 1954

 

 

 

‘New’ 2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 467:

BSK 4063 (diag.2104)
CK 5153 (diag.2302)

Withdrawn March 1965

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

8 Cor Sets
(467 & 468)

Sets 467 and 468 comprised Maunsell 59’ Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 25th October 1928 (set 467) and 9th November 1928 (set 468) both to HO order no. E160 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Eastern Division (SED).

Set 467 was reformed as a 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.

Set 468 underwent numerous alterations (including damage from Enemy Action) and did not carry Crimson Lake & Cream livery (see Individual Set Notes).

The Appendices to Carriage Working Notices from 6th October 1947 shew set 468 allocated to ‘Rotherhithe Road for Special traffic’ then from 23rd May 1949 St. Leonards for Special Traffic, 26th September 1949 ‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ before 5th  June 1950 from when it operated summer Hastings to LMR (later Hastings – Inter Regional Trains) services (these services would have been via Eastbourne) until 12th September 1960 (Maunsell set 468 last entry in a CWNA) where it was allocated back at ‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ during the winter timetable.

After set 468 was disbanded in April 1961 a replacement BR(S) Green-liveried 10-set 468 was formed from Bulleid and Mk1 stock (later 11RB) in June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour (Day Boat). Formation details and subsequent changes are included under Individual Set Notes.

 

Set 467

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

25-Oct-28
New 8 Cor

4063

765

5151

5152

5153

5154

766

4064

c.1933
(7 Cor)

4063

765
(to 468)

5151

5152

5153

5154

766

4064

 

BTK
No.

CK
No.

Rest.
Car

CK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

BTK
No.

6-Oct-47
(CWNA)

4063

5151

5153

766

5154

5152

4064

27-Sep-48
(CWNA)

4063

5151

5153

766
(to 468)

5154

5152

4064

23-May-49
(CWNA)

4063

5151

-

5153

-

5154

5152

4064

26-Sep-49
(CWNA)

4063

5151
(to 217)

-

5153

-

5154

5152
(to 218)

4064

Jun-50 – Jun-62
(CWNA)

4063

-

-

5153

-

5154

-

4064

Mar-63
(2 Cor)

4063
(to 466)

 

 

5153
(to 466)

 

5154

 

4064

17-Jun-63 CWNA

 

 

 

 

 

5154

 

4064

Wdn.

(Mar-65)

 

 

(Mar-65)

 

Mar-65

 

May 65

 

 

Individual Set Notes

Set

 

Notes

 

467

8 Cor released Eastleigh Works 25th October 1928:

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
TK 765 (diag.2003)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 as follows:

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

Lancing painting dates 17th February 1937 (Olive), 27th October 1943 and 15th December 1948 (Malachite).

Restaurant car added by 6th October 1947 CWNA.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)

‡ Rest. Car

CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)
TK 766 (diag.2003)
BTK 4064 (diag.2101)

‡ Not stencilled with set number.

Reformed with Restaurant Car and TK 766 removed by 23rd May 1949 CWNA. TK 766 into set 468 26th May 1949.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5152 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)

BTK 4064
(diag.2101)

Reformed with CK 5152 removed (to 218) by 5th June 1950 CWNA.

BTK 4063 (diag.2101)
CK 5151 (diag.2301)
CK 5153 (diag.2301)
CK 5154 (diag.2301)

BTK 4064
(diag.2101)

Outshopping Crimson Lake & Cream completed 8th April 1957 and BR(S) Green 3rd December 1957.

Reformed as 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 with BSK 4063 & CK 5153 to ‘new’ 2 Cor set 466.

BSK 4064 (diag.2104)
CK 5154
(diag.2302)

Set out-of-use (September 1964?) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn May 1965.

 

 

 

Set 468

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

9-Nov-28
New 8 Cor

4065

767

5155

5156

5157

5158

768

4066

c.1933
(7 Cor)

"

"

"

"

"

5158
(to Loose)

"

"

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

2-Jan-35
(7 Cor)

4065

767

5155

5156

5157
(to Loose)

765
(ex.’Loose’)

768

4066

1-Sep-45
Enemy Action

4065
(W 8-Sep-45)

767

5155
(to Loose)

5156
(W 8-Sep-45)

-

765

768

4066

 

BTK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

CK
No.

CK
No.

TK
No.

TK
No.

BTK
No.

1946
(7 Cor)

4095
(ex.’Loose’)

765

767

5158
(ex.’Loose’)

5157
(ex.’Loose’)

768

-

4066

6-Oct-47 (CWNA)

4095

765

767

5158

5157

768

-

4066

23-May-49
(CWNA)

"

"