BR British Rail Crimson & Cream
Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and
Custard BR British Rail Crimson & Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream
Blood & Custard Blood Custard Blood and Custard BR British Rail Crimson
& Cream Crimson and Cream Crimson Cream Blood & Custard Blood Custard
Blood and Custard
Passenger Carrying Coaches
Maunsell Low-Window Stock
(390-399, 445-448, 449-454, 465-470)
No.3215 in set
390 at Micheldever (c.1956-1957). © Lens of Sutton (Mike King collection) |
This page covers the following Maunsell Low Window sets |
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3 Cor |
390 - 399 |
(1928 to 1961) |
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3 Cor |
445 - 448 |
(1928 to 1961) |
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4 Cor |
449 - 454 |
(1929 to 1965) |
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2 Cor |
460 - 461 |
(1963 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
463 - 464 |
(1963 to 1964) |
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8 Cor |
465 - 466 |
(1929 to 1965) |
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8 Cor |
467 - 468 |
(1961 to 1963) |
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8 Cor |
469 - 470 |
(1928 to 1959) |
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Because of their inter-related history this page also |
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2 Cor |
180 - 192 |
(1962 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
217 - 219 |
(1962 to 1964) |
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2 Cor |
444 – 467 |
(1958 to 1964) |
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BR(S) convention meant
each set was normally arranged with the coach conveying first-class (CK)
positioned adjacent to the higher-numbered BTK. On four coach sets this
convention also positioned the corridor to the compartments on the same-side
placing first-class towards the middle of each four-coach set.
Liveries
Original livery was lined Olive with the lining being dropped
c.1935. Malachite followed and Lancing Carriage works was still releasing
repainted stock in SR Malachite Green early February 1949 with Crimson Lake
(and Cream) appearing at least by March 1949. Not all sets received Crimson Lake and Cream
with some being repainted from Malachite to BR(S) Green.
The last Crimson Lake & Cream (CLC) vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appear to be loose-allocated High Window Maunsell SK S1376S on 17th July 1956 which followed set 466 (all of its eight coaches variously outshopped between 18th June 1956 and 10th July 1956) and individual coach 7964 (from CLC Set 440) along with Loose Second Open 1218.
The first BR Green-livery set outshopped by Lancing
was set 974 on 11th July 1956 and the on the 18th July
1956 Bulleid SK S61S was the first coach repainted from Crimson Lake &
Cream into Green-livery.
Abolition of Second Class
Third-class was designated
second-class following the abolition of second-class
by British Railways on
Sunday 3rd June 1956. In the tables below coaches are described
as Third-class unless they were inserted into a set after 3rd June
1956 when Second Class is used.
Key |
Notes |
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Malachite |
SR Malachite Green (including with BR numbering) |
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CLC |
BR Crimson Lake & Cream-livery |
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G |
BR(S) Green-livery |
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R4 |
Restriction 4 (C1 restriction is the BR equivalent) |
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‡ |
Not stencilled with set number |
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Notes on reading these tables
In
the tables below coaches are included up to the date given in the left
hand-column. If the coach number is crossed out then it was removed from that
set at the next reformation with its replacement stated against the next
formation (i.e. row beneath).
No.3224 in set
395 at Eastleigh on 21st September 1959. © Ted West (Mike King collection) |
New 3 Cor Sets
(390 to 399)
Sets 390 to 399 were the first of the Maunsell
59’ Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows
and four-compartment brakes. Formed July 1926 (390-395) &
October 1926 (396-399) to HO order no. E94 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to
the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 3214
to 3233; the CK being 5137 to 5146. These coaches remained in their allotted
set without change until withdrawal.
The following sets were
annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’
these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 390 (no intermediate
buffers between CK 5138 & BTK 3214 – inspected 14th June
1944), 391, 392, 393 (except the 1st class end of 5137), 394, 395,
396, 397, 398 & 399.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
390 |
Jul-26 |
3214 |
5138 |
3215 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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391 |
Jul-26 |
3216 |
5139 |
3217 |
Wdn |
12-Apr-58 |
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392 |
Jul-26 |
3218 |
5141 |
3219 |
Wdn |
9-Oct-59 |
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393 |
Jul-26 |
3220 |
5137 |
3221 |
Wdn |
12-Jul-58 |
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394 |
Jul-26 |
3222 |
5143 |
3223 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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395 |
Jul-26 |
3224 |
5146 |
3225 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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396 |
Oct-26 |
3228 |
5140 |
3229 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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397 |
Oct-26 |
3226 |
5142 |
3231 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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398 |
Oct-26 |
3227 |
5144 |
3230 |
Wdn |
Dec-61 |
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399 |
Oct-26 |
3232 |
5145 |
3233 |
Wdn |
Nov-61 |
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Liveries
Set |
Livery |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
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390 |
Olive |
3214 |
5138 |
3215 |
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Malachite |
13-Jul-44 |
13-Jul-44 |
13-Jul-44 |
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CLC |
9-Oct-53 |
9-Oct-53 |
9-Oct-53 |
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G |
16-Dec-57 |
17-Dec-57 |
10-Dec-57 |
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391 |
Olive |
3216 |
5139 |
3217 |
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Malachite |
13-Jan-45 |
13-Jan-45 |
13-Jan-45 |
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CLC |
n/k |
n/k |
n/k |
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G |
n/k |
n/k |
n/k |
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392 |
Olive |
3218 |
5141 |
3219 |
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Malachite |
15-Feb-45 |
15-Feb-45 |
15-Feb-45 |
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CLC |
Nov-53 |
Nov-53 |
Nov-53 |
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G |
7-Nov-57 |
11-Nov-57 |
11-Nov-57 |
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393 |
Olive |
3220 |
5137 |
3221 |
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Malachite |
5-Feb-41 |
5-Feb-41 |
5-Feb-41 |
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CLC |
Yes |
Yes |
Yes |
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G |
n/k |
n/k |
n/k |
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394 |
Olive |
3222 |
5143 |
3223 |
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Malachite |
27-Oct-44 |
27-Oct-44 |
27-Oct-44 |
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CLC |
6-Mar-53 |
6-Mar-53 |
6-Mar-53 |
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G |
7-Jan-57 |
31-Dec-56 |
10-Jan-57 |
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395 |
Olive |
3224 |
5146 |
3225 |
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Malachite |
28-Mar-44 |
28-Mar-44 |
28-Mar-44 |
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CLC |
29-Jun-55 |
29-Jun-55 |
29-Jun-55 |
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G |
8-Apr-58 |
3-Apr-58 |
8-Apr-58 |
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396 |
Olive |
3228 |
5140 |
3229 |
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Malachite |
25-Jan-45 |
25-Jan-45 |
25-Jan-45 |
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CLC |
10-Dec-52 |
10-Dec-52 |
10-Dec-52 |
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G |
11-Jul-58 |
24-Jul-56 |
11-Jul-58 |
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397 |
Olive |
3226 |
5142 |
3231 |
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Malachite |
14-Nov-46 |
14-Nov-46 |
14-Nov-46 |
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CLC |
28-Jul-55 |
28-Jul-55 |
28-Jul-55 |
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G |
6-Jun-57 |
6-Jun-57 |
4-Jun-57 |
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398 |
Olive |
3227 |
5144 |
3230 |
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Malachite |
4-Jul-46 |
4-Jul-46 |
4-Jul-46 |
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CLC |
1-Sep-54 |
1-Sep-54 |
1-Sep-54 |
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G |
17-Dec-56 |
20-Dec-56 |
12-Dec-56 |
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399 |
Olive |
3232 |
5145 |
3233 |
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Malachite |
11-Nov-47 |
11-Nov-47 |
11-Nov-47 |
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CLC |
No |
No |
No |
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G |
27-Jul-56 |
25-Jul-56 |
26-Jul-56 |
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Individual Set Notes
(390 – 399)
Set |
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Notes |
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390 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3214 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July
1936 and 13th July 1944 with a last recorded Southern Railway
varnish on 3rd April 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 8th
August 1941. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 9th October 1953 thence Green on 17th November
1957. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 17th November
1959. Set 390 had its intermediate buffers removed between CK 5138 & BTK
3214 (inspected 14th June 1944). Set 390 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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391 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3216 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 1st June 1931, 31st July
1936 and 13th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern Railway
varnish on 24th March 1947. Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it
probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have
received Green. Set 391 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 391 was withdrawn 12th April 1958. |
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392 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3218 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 16th
December 1935 and 15th February 1945 with a last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 17th December 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 3rd
August 1940. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 17th November 1953 but may or may not have received Green. Set 392 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 392 was withdrawn 9th October 1959. Memo dated 26th
September 1959 to F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent
Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ reference RS/51/1/51A/BA from Waterloo Inspector
Ernie Tozer stated set 392 at Micheldever to be marked as condemned. |
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393 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3220 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 18th December 1930, 11th
March 1935 and 5th February 1941 with a last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 2nd January 1948. Post-nationalisation, details are unknown. Based on paining cycles it
probably received Crimson Lake & Cream livery but may or may not have
received Green. Set 393 had its intermediate buffers removed excepting between CK 5138
& BTK 3214 (inspected 14th June 1944). Set 393 was withdrawn 12th July 1958. |
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394 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3222 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 22nd December 1930, 18th
February 1935 and 27th October 1944 with a last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 18th June 1947. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair to 3223) on 17th
April 1939 and (damage repair to 5143) on 6th September 1941 and
Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 15th May 1947. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 6th March 1953 thence CK into Green on 31st
December 1956 with the BSKs’ following on 10th January 1957.
It was outshopped from its final varnish on 4th January 1961. Set 394 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 394 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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395 |
3 Cor formed July
1926: BTK 3224 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 6th February 1931, 27th
May 1935 and 28th March 1944 after its last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 10th April 1941. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage repair) on 10th
April 1941 and Eastleigh (underframe repairs) on 2nd April 1948. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 29th July 1953 thence Green on 8th April 1958.
It was outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960. Set 395 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 395 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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396 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3228 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 5th March 1931, 26th
February 1936 and 25th January 1945 with a last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 26th September 1946. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 10th December 1952 thence CK into Green on 24th
July 1956 with the BSKs following on 11th July 1958. It was
outshopped from its final varnish on 6th May 1960. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 4th
November 1954 and 12th November 1954 with all being outshopped
from Eastleigh 22nd March 1961 (light repairs). Set 396 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 396 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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397 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3226 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 14th April 1931, 26th
June 1936 and 14th November 1946 after its last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 18th September 1943. It was outshopped from Lancing (damage) on 18th September
1943. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 28th July 1955 thence Green on 6th June 1957. It
was outshopped from its final varnish on 12th April 1961. Set 397 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 397 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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398 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3227 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 30th April 1931, 21st
August 1935 and 4th July 1946 after its last recorded Southern
Railway varnish on 18th June 1943. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 1st September 1954 thence Green on 20th December
1956. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th February
1961. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 24th
December 1954. Set 398 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 398 was withdrawn December 1961. Waterloo Inspector’s memos
dated 4th July 1962 and 7th November 1962 identify set
398 being stored at Worthy Down
(annotated no intermediate buffers). Set was dispatched as part of train no.7
from Andover Junction to Birds Motors (Llanelly) Wednesday, 3rd
June 1964 (sold 2nd May 1964). |
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399 |
3 Cor formed October
1926: BTK 3232 (diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 20th October 1930, 4th
October 1937 and 14th November 1947 after its last recorded
Southern Railway varnish on 13th May 1944. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped 28th July
1955 thence Green on 27th July 1956 and did not receive Crimson
Lake & Cream livery. It was outshopped from its final varnish on 14th
July 1958. Set 399 had its intermediate buffers removed. Set 399 was withdrawn November 1961. |
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Condemned 5149
(ex. set 447) at Horsted Keynes on 26th September 1959 © Denis Cullum (Mike King collection) |
3 Cor Sets
(445 to 448)
Sets 445 to 448 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction
4 stock built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon & Finance Company in August
to September 1928. These had low windows and four-compartment brakes. Formed
August 1928 (445-446) and September 1928 (447-448) to HO order no. E??? in
lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches
were in the number range 4055 to 4062 to diag.2101; the CK being 5147 to 5150
to diag.2301.
The following sets were
annotated on the Lancing Works has having ‘no intermediate buffers’
these having been removed in the nineteen-thirties: 445, 446, 447 (except the 1st class end of
CK 5149) & 448.
Following withdrawal these
set numbers were reused for 2 Cor sets as follows: 187 became 445, 188 became
446, 189 became 447 and set 190 became 448. In
terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467
for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge
Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
445 |
Aug-28 |
4055 |
5147 |
4056 |
Wdn |
11-Oct-58 |
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446 |
17-Aug-28 |
4057 |
5148 |
4058 |
Wdn |
28-Apr-61 |
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447 |
Sep-28 |
4059 |
5149 |
4061 |
Wdn |
4-Jul-59 |
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448 |
Sep-28 |
4060 |
5150 |
4062 |
Wdn |
20-Sep-58 |
20-Sep-58 |
20-Sep-58 |
(5-Jan-61) |
Liveries
Set |
Liveries |
BTK |
CK |
BTK |
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445 |
Olive |
4055 |
5147 |
4056 |
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Malachite |
n/k |
n/k |
n/k |
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CLC |
Yes |
Yes |
Yes |
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G |
17-Sep-57 |
17-Sep-57 |
18-Sep-57 |
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446 |
Olive |
4057 |
5148 |
4058 |
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Malachite |
13-Jun-41 |
13-Jun-41 |
13-Jun-41 |
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CLC |
30-May-51 |
30-May-51 |
30-May-51 |
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G |
27-Mar-58 |
21-Nov-57 |
3-Dec-57 |
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447 |
Olive |
4059 |
5149 |
4061 |
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Malachite |
21-Dec-46 |
21-Dec-46 |
21-Dec-46 |
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CLC |
Yes |
Yes |
Yes |
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G |
4-Feb-57 |
5-Feb-57 |
5-Feb-57 |
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448 |
Olive |
4060 |
5150 |
4062 |
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Malachite |
22-May-46 |
22-May-46 |
22-May-46 |
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CLC |
No |
No |
No |
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G |
16-Oct-56 |
23-Oct-56 |
16-Oct-56 |
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Individual Set Notes
(445 – 448)
Set |
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Notes |
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445 |
3 Cor formed August
1928: BTK 4055 (diag.2101) Set 445 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 19th February 1937 with a last
recorded Southern Railway varnish on 16th November 1943. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Set 445 was withdrawn 11th October 1959. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3697 (diag.2104) CK 5607 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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446 |
3 Cor formed 17th August 1928: BTK 4057 (diag.2101) Set 446 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 30th January 1935 thence 13th
June 1941 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 19th
May 1947. It was outshopped from Eastleigh (damage repair) on 18th
December 1939. Post-nationalisation, this set was outshopped Crimson Lake & Cream
livery 30th May1951 thence Green on 27th March 1958
(date of last vehicle painted). It was outshopped from Eastleigh (slight damage) on 15th
July 1954. Set 446 was sent to Hassocks on 25th March 1960 for onward
transit to Lancing following withdrawal on 11th October 1959. Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under
& awaiting repairs’ to M.S.Hatchell Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H
Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 + 1801 SK as being at
Hassocks as follows: W/E 28-1-61 (dated 27th January 1961) W/E 4-2-61 (dated 4th February 1961) W/E 18-2-61 (dated 17th February 1961) W/E 25-2-61 (dated 24th February 1961) W/E 4-3-61 (dated 3rd
March 1961) Weekly Return memos titled ‘Steam & Electric Stock under
& awaiting repairs W/E 11-3-61’ (dated 10th March
1961) to M.S.Hatchell
Esq., RSO, Eastleigh from Waterloo Inspector R H
Griffiths (Ref. RS.51/2/12) identified 3 Set 446 as being at Seaford. Memo titled ‘Withdrawal of Coaching Stock Phase
11’ (dated 13th May 1961) to
M.S. Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (Ref.
RS/51/3/1D) states set 446 at Seaford to be marked as condemned, carded to
Newhaven for disposal of bodies and bogies, underframes to Lancing. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3699 (diag.2104) CK 5609 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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447 |
3 Cor formed September
1928: BTK 4059 (diag.2101) Set 447 had its intermediate buffers removed with the exception of 1st
class end of CK 5149 (adjacent BTK 4061 had its intermediate buffers
removed). Lancing painting date 1st July 1937 thence 21st
December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th
June 1947. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Crimson Lake
& Cream livery date not known. Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 5th February 1957. Set 447 was withdrawn Lancing 11th October 1959. Memo
titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for Withdrawal W/E
18-7-59’ (dated 22nd July 1959) to
F.J. Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer
(RS/51/1/61A/BO) states set 447 at Horsted Keynes as ‘not yet
marked’ as condemned. Memo titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam
Stock for Withdrawal. Stock berthed at Horsted Keynes 8-9-59’ (dated 9th September 1959) to F.J.
Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) from Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer (RS/51/1/51/BA)
reports “It has been reported by the Station Master to the Railway
Police that the tool boxes in the berthed stock have been broken open and
contents stolen. I have inspected a large number of these berthed vehicles
and report my findings as follows: - Commencing Ardingly end:
[comprehensive list of stock follows]” In terms of stock inspected on 9th (September 1959) against
set 447 the report only records the two brake coaches: BSK 4059 In van and in order 1 CO2 2 Buckets. Lavatory and
Guard’s door missing, could have been removed at Lancing, no record. BSK 4061 Stripped at Lancing Empty box on floor. In van and in order 1
CO2 2 Buckets. All compartment doors stripped down and inside vehicle,
lavatory and Guard’s door missing, could have been dealt with prior to
dispatch from Lancing, no record. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3705 (diag.2104) CK 5619 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
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448 |
3 Cor formed September
1928: BTK 4060 (diag.2101) Set 448 had its intermediate buffers removed. Lancing painting date 1st July1937 thence 21st
December 1946 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 26th
June 1947. Post-nationalisation record cards are currently missing. Outshopping
BR(S) Green completed BR(S) Green 23rd October 1956. Set 448 was disbanded with BTK 4060 & CK 5150 withdrawn at Lancing
on 20th September 1959. BTK 4062 went to set 436. BTK 4062 to set 436 replacing BTK 3188 (which was removed from set 436
and withdrawn at Lancing on 4th October 1958). BTK 4062 was
repainted 8th December 1958 and was withdrawn from set 436 on 5th
January 1962. |
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‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3707 (diag.2104) CK 5621 (diag.2302) Replacement 2 Cor set withdrawn 30th January 1965. |
4 Cor Sets
(449-454) HO no.288
Sets 449 to 454 were Maunsell 59’ Restriction
‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh works, these had low windows and
six-compartment brakes. Formed 4th January 1929 (449-450), 2nd
February 1929 (451-452), 26th February 1929 (453) & 25th
February 1929 (454) to HO order no. E288 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to
the South Western Division (SWD). The BTK coaches were in the number range 4067
to 4078; the CK being 5159 to 5170. Most of these coaches remained in their
allotted set without change until withdrawal.
Towards the end of their
lives the following sets were reduced to 2 Cor: 449, 450, 451 with
‘new’ 2 Cor sets formed from the coaches removed from these sets. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor
set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East
Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern
services.
Formation
Set |
Formed |
BTK |
CK |
CK |
BTK |
449 |
4-Jan-29 |
4067 |
5159 |
5160 |
4068 |
|
c.Sep-62 |
4067 |
5159 |
|
|
Wdn. |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
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|
450 |
4-Jan-29 |
4069 |
5161 |
5162 |
4070 |
|
Feb-61 |
4069 |
5161 |
5162 |
4070 |
Wdn. |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
2-Feb-61 |
Reformed |
by 18-Jun-62 |
(BSO) |
5630 |
5632 |
(BSO) |
|
c.Sep-1962 |
(BSO) |
5630 |
|
(BSO) |
Wdn. |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
|
451 |
2-Feb-29 |
4071 |
5163 |
5164 |
4072 |
|
c.Sep-1962 |
4071 |
5163 |
|
|
Wdn. |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
|
|
452 |
2-Feb-29 |
4073 |
5165 |
5166 |
4074 |
Wdn. |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
31-Oct-59 |
Reformed |
18-Jun-62 |
(BSO) |
5610 |
5633 |
(BSO) |
|
17-Jun-63 |
(BSO) |
5610 |
|
(BSO) |
Wdn. |
oou Nov-63? |
12-Mar-64 |
By 30-Oct-64 |
|
|
453 |
26-Feb-29 |
4075 |
5167 |
5168 |
4076 |
|
9-Oct-59 |
|
|
|
|
|
Wdn |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
26-Sep-59 |
Reformed |
18-Nov-59 |
4092 |
5626 |
5617 |
4080 |
|
10-May-61 |
|
5626 |
5617 |
4080 |
|
by 12-Jul-61 |
4082 |
5626 |
5617 |
4080 |
|
17-Jun-63 |
4082 |
|
5617 |
|
|
Wdn |
1-Oct-64 |
|
1-Oct-64 |
|
454 |
25-Feb-29 |
|
5169 |
5170 |
4078 |
|
Nov-40 |
4079 |
5169 |
5170 |
4078 |
|
17-Jun-63 |
4079 |
5169 |
|
|
Wdn. |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
|
Individual Set Notes
(450 – 454)
Set |
Notes |
449 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 4th January 1929. BTK 4067 (diag.2104) From Crimson Lake & Cream livery, outshopping BR(S) Green completed
6th February 1957. Reformed to 2 Cor in 21st
August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK
5160 to set 460): BSK 4067 (diag.2104) Set withdrawn 27th March 1965. |
450 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929. BTK 4069 (diag.2104) Set outshopped Malachite 25th January 1943, CLC 16th
July 1952 thence BR(S) Green 13th January 1958. These four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961. |
|
‘New’
4 Cor set 450 formed (by 18th
June 1962) with BR(S) Green nondescript BSO and High Window restriction
‘1’ CK stock as follows: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) Circa September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with
BSO 4448 and CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) Set withdrawn 27th March
1965. |
451 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929. BTK 4071 (diag.2104) Set repainted Olive 17th February 1936, outshopped
Malachite 16th May 1946, CLC 16th September 1954 thence
BR(S) Green 14th August 1958. Reformed to 2 Cor in September 1962 (for 17th June 1963
CWNA) as follows (with BSK 4072 and CK 5164 to set 463): BSK 4071 (diag.2104) Withdrawn 16th May 1964. |
452 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929. BTK 4073 (diag.2104) Damage repairs at Lancing 20th February 1941 to 7th
March 1941. Set repainted Olive 30th November, outshopped Malachite 20th
March 1944 & 8th December 1948. This set may not have received
CLC and was not outshopped BR(S) Green before being condemned on 31st
October 1959 (it had been included in the 2nd November 1959 CWNA). |
|
Replacement 4 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’
stock for 18th June 1962 Appendix to Carriage Working Notice. BSO
4432 & BSO 4433 were nondescript brakes; CK 5610 & CK 5633
High-Window coaches. BSO 4432 (diag.2654) CK 5610 (diag.2302) CK 5633 (diag.2302) BSO 4433 (diag.2654) Reformed to 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 Appendix to
Carriage Working Notice. BSO 4432 & CK 5633 to 2 Cor set 462. BSO 4432 (diag.2654) CK 5610 (diag.2302) Set possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th
March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964. |
453 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 26th February 1929. BTK 4075 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 26th
June 1936, Malachite 4th September 1943, CLC 12th July
1949 (with broad crimson band on the
compartment side) and
BR(S) Green 3rd October 1958. Set 453 was withdrawn from Brighton 26th
September 1959 (Lancing Works record card states condemned 9th
October 1959). In a memo dated 29th September 1959 to F J Pepper (RSO Eastleigh) titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification, Steam Stock for
Withdrawal W/E 26-9-59’ (ref. RS/51/1/51A/BA)
Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer identifies BSK 4075, CK 5167, CK 5168 & BSK 4076 of 453 Set ‘Brighton
to Newhaven direct, marked condemned’. |
|
Replacement 4 Cor set 453 was formed October 1959
(appearing in 2nd November 1959 CWNA) with BR(S) Green liveried
coaches as follows: BSK 4092 (diag.2104) BSK 4092 was a Restriction ‘1’ high-window six
compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh November 1929 originally from
set 183 via Loose & set 156. CK 5626 and CK 5617 were
Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composites to
diag.2302 built Eastleigh between January & April 1931. CK 5626 was
originally from set 219 (released 14th April 1931) via Loose and
set 464 while CK 5617 was originally from set 218 (released 26th
February 1931) via set 455. BSK 4080 was a Restriction ‘1’ low-window six
compartment brake to diag.2104 built Eastleigh between January & March
1929 originally from set 465 (released 21st March 1929) via set
466. 2nd November 1959 CWNA stated CK 5676
instead of CK 5616 (with formation as 4092 + 5617 + 5676 + 4080). However,
this is amended to CK 5626 by 13th June 1960 CWNA (with formation
as 4092 + 5617 + 5626 + 4080). CK 5676 had been withdrawn in October 1959. In a memo dated 10th May 1961 to M S Hatchell (RSO Eastleigh) Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer
stated “BSK No. 4092 of 453 Set is in very bad condition, and I
suggest BSK 4082 P7-56, V4-58 on this A list be retained and the former
withdrawn.” No. 4092 was summarily withdrawn and the set reformed: Note – this change
did not take place in time for the 12th June 1961 CWNA) which
still shewed BSK 4092. BSK 4082 (diag.2104) 4 Cor set 453 was
reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4080 &
CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464. BSK 4082 (diag.2104) 2 Cor set 453 believed withdrawn from service
during period of 15th June 1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617
both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October 1964. |
454 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929. BTK 4077 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing Works Olive 28th
December 1936, BTK 4077 damaged possibly by enemy action early October 1940 and
replaced by BTK 4079 (ex.465)
with body of BTK 4077 broken up at Stewarts Lane (New Cross Gate report dated
27th November 1940). Set now formed: BTK 4079 (diag.2104) Set outshopped Lancing (damage) 12th
November 1941. Outshopped malachite 4th January 1945,
CLC 10th October 1954 and BR(S) Green 5th March 1958. 4 Cor set 454 was
reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with BSK 4078 &
CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now formed: BSK 4079 (diag.2104) Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th
January 1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching
stock W/E 25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been
withdrawn and marked condemned at Eastbourne. A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964
(reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles –
Disposal’ [to South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as
having been sold to Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been
dispatched from Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964. |
|
|
8 Cor Sets
(465 & 466)
Sets 465 and 466 comprised Maunsell 59’
Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low
windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 21st
March 1929 (set 465) and 16th April 1929 (set 466) both to HO order
no. E286 in lined Olive livery. Allocated new to the Central Division to work
Eastbourne services (usually with the addition of one or two Pullman cars)
until the 1935 electrification.
Latterly employed
post-nationalisation as Special Traffic sets, set no.465 was downgraded in 1959
to a 6 Cor 2nd class-only set finishing its working life as the
Margate Miners’ Train.
These set numbers were
subsequent reused as 2 Cor sets for 17th June 1963. In terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor
set numbering range 444 to 467 for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East
Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern
services.
Set 465
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
21-Mar-29 |
|
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
7392 |
7393 |
834 |
4080 |
c.Aug-41
|
|
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
|
|
834 |
4080 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
4-Jun-45 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
|
4-Apr-46 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
|
10-Apr-46 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
4043 |
Oct-47
- Jun-55 |
2791 |
2362 |
833 |
7390 |
7391 |
834 |
2363 |
4043 |
19-Sep-55 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
7390 |
7391 |
2363 |
834 |
|
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
SK |
SK |
SK |
SK |
BSK |
|
|
12-Jan-59
|
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
2363 |
834 |
|
|
|
15-Jun-59 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
2363 |
834 |
4043
(error) |
|
|
2-Nov-59 |
2791 |
833 |
2362 |
2363 |
834 |
|
|
|
c.Feb-61 |
2791 |
833 |
|
|
|
3566 |
|
|
By
Jun-61 |
|
|
- |
- |
- |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Reformed |
BSK |
CK |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun-63 |
4078 |
5170 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(Wdn
Sep-63) |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
Notes |
465 |
Released Eastleigh 21st March 1929; Restriction
‘1’ stock. BTK 4079 (diag.2104) Outshopped Lancing paint 12th December 1935. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th October 1940 to
14th November 1940. Three coaches damage repaired Lancing 24th
January 1941 to 15th February 1941. Following this damage repair
SR diag.131 BTK 3110 replaced BTK 4079 being a 56’ ex.LSWR
coach (built July 1911 - withdrawn February 1954). BTK 3110 (diag.131) Damage repair Eastleigh (Enemy Action) 3rd July 1944 to 7th
July 1944. TK 834 & BTK 3110 in Eastleigh 17th January 1945 to
22nd February 1945. Set reformed 4th June 1945 with BTK 3110 to Loose, FK 7392
& FK 7393 to Loose and replaced by BTK 2791 (ex.’Loose’
- diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock built October - December 1935),
TK 2362 & TK 2363 (both ex.’Loose’
Maunsell High-Window stock to diag.2003) as follows: BTK 2791 (diag.2113 HW) Outshopped Malachite Lancing 8th October 1945. Set reformed 4th April 1946 with BTK 4080 removed thence to
set 466. Lancing Works record cards indicates these were replaced by BTK 2791
(diag.2113 High Window flush panelled stock, built October - December 1935)
and BTK 3789 (ex.’Loose’ - Maunsell
High-Window Restriction ‘4’ coach to diag.2110) as follows: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) However, on 10th April 1946 BTK 3789 was sent to Loose with
six-compartment ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’
(Restriction ‘4’) BTK 4043 (ex.471 – built c.December 1925) being used instead: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Slight damage repair Lancing to BTK 4043 13th September
1946 to 19th December 1946. Note: FK 7658 (7 comp
‘Ironclad’ to diag.476 built Lancing December 1925) appears on
the Lancing Works record card for set 465 post 1948 as ‘ex.’Loose’ but is also crossed out. When or
if it was intended to be used in set 465 is unknown. Outshopped E-exam TK 2362, TK 2363, BTK 2791 & TK 4043 and A2-exam
TK 833, TK 834, FK 7390 & FK 7391 Lancing 5th December 1951 (so
CLC possibly not applied at this time). The 19th September 1955 CWNA shews a change in coach order
as follows: BTK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) FK 7391 outshopped BR(S) Green Lancing 26th October 1956
thence stabled at Chichester. FK 7390, FK 7391, SK 833 & SK 834 received E4 exam Lancing (with
BTK 2791, TK 2362. SK 2363 & BTK 4043 receiving an A2 exam) outshopped
BR(S) Green livery 18-April 1957 FK 7390 & FK 7391 were removed from the set to Loose c.January
1959 and BSK 4043 (displaced and withdrawn August 1959) replaced by BSK 3754
(ex.455 built Eastleigh April 1933 with two Lavatory vents – painted
Malachite January 1948). The set was now allocated as ‘Margate
Miners’ train’. BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as
follows although BSK 4043 had already been replaced by BSK 3754 c.12th
January 1959: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) ‘Thanet’ BSK 3566 (ex.388 via Loose built Eastleigh
between October 1924 & March 1935 outshopped BR(S) Green February 1959)
replaced BSK 3754 (condemned 9th October 1959 with the 2nd
November 1959 CWNA as follows: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Slight damage repair Lancing to SK 834 14th February 1961
to 23rd February 1961. TK 834 to Loose and TK 2362 & TK 2363 initlaay to Loose’ but withdrawn. Set reduced to 3
Cor as follows: BSK 2791
(diag.2113 HW) Set 465 disbanded soon after (with remaining coaches to
‘Loose’ although BSK 3566 withdrawn November 1961 & SK 833
withdrawn December 1961) and did not appear in the 12th June 1961
Appendix for Carriage Working Notice. |
|
‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with
green Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 454: BSK 4078 (diag.2104) Withdrawn December 1963. |
Set 466
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
Apr-29 |
4081 |
835 |
7394 |
7395 |
7396 |
7397 |
836 |
4082 |
c.1933 |
4081 |
835 |
7394 |
|
|
7397 |
|
4082 |
1941 |
|
835 |
7394 |
- |
- |
7397 |
836 |
4082 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
1945 |
4080 |
2360 |
835 |
7397 |
7392 |
836 |
2361 |
4082 |
Oct-47
– Jun-55 |
4080 |
2360 |
835 |
7397 |
7392 |
836 |
2361 |
4082 |
19-Sep-55 |
4080 |
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
SK |
SK |
FK |
FK |
SK |
SK |
BTK |
15-Jun-59 |
|
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
2-Nov-59 |
|
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
13-Jun-60 |
6650 |
835 |
2360 |
7392 |
7397 |
2361 |
836 |
4082 |
Disb. c.Jun-61 |
To
180 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
To
453 |
Reformed |
BSK |
CK |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Jun-63 |
4063 |
5153 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
(Wdn ?) |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
Notes |
||||
466 |
Released Eastleigh 16th April 1929; Restriction ‘1’ stock. BTK 4081 (diag.2104) c.1933 set reformed with FK 7395 & FK 7396 to ‘Loose’
as follows with FK 7395 subsequently withdrawn December 1940 (Enemy Action): BTK 4081 (diag.2104) Outshopped Olive Lancing 23rd
May 1939. Entered Lancing 23rd December 1940 (damage repair)
outshopped 24th January 1941. FK 7397 entered Eastleigh 18th
June 1941 and outshopped 8th December 1941. 6 Cor set 465 entered Lancing Works
20th July 1943 (damage repair) outshopped 10th August
1943 with FK 7397 outshopped 9th October 1943. 1941. BTK 4081 withdrawn 17th November 1945 following an incident
at Woking on 10th November 1945. Set 466 (6 Cor) reformed 4th
April 1946 with BTK 4080 (ex.Set 465). BTK 4080 (diag.2104) Augmented to 8 Cor with 8-compt. High Window diag.2003 SK 2360 &
2361 (both ex.’Loose’) in 1945. BTK 4080 (diag.2104 LW) Seven coaches of set 453 outshopped Lancing E4 exam Malachite Green 4th
June 1946 with FK 7394 outshopped Eastleigh paint 20th December
1946. BTK 4080 entered Eastleigh 7th March 1951 (damage repair)
and outshopped 24th May 1951. FK 7397 outshopped E4-exam (CLC?) Lancing 10th March 1954
(remainder A2) thence the remainder outshopped E4-exam Crimson Lake &
Cream (order being SK 2360, SK 2361, BSK 4080, FK 7392, SK 836, SK 835 &
BSK 4082) 10th July 1956 (FK 7397 A2 varnish). The 15th June 1959 CWNA shews a change in coach order as
follows: BTK 4080
(diag.2104 LW) BTK 4080 removed to set 453 by 2nd November 1959 CWNA and
replaced with ‘Thanet’ BTK 3574 (diag.317 ex. set 220 via
Loose.). BTK 3574 (diag.317
‘Thanet’) BTK 3574 withdrawn November 1959 and replaced with High Window
Restriction ‘4’ BCK 6650 (ex.’Loose’
diag.2401). 13th June 1960 CWNA as follows: BCK 6650 (diag.2401 HW) Set disbanded by June
1961 with 6650 to set 180, 4082 to set 453 and the remainder withdrawn July
1961. FK 7394 reclassified as TK 657 diag. 2022 June 1954 FK 7396 reclassified as TK 658 diag. 2022 May 1954 |
||||
|
‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 with
Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex. set 467: BSK 4063 (diag.2104) Withdrawn March 1965 |
||||
|
|
|
|
|
|
8 Cor Sets
(467 & 468)
Sets 467 and 468 comprised Maunsell 59’
Restriction ‘1’ stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low
windows and six-compartment brakes. Formed 25th
October 1928 (set 467) and 9th November 1928 (set 468) both to HO
order no. E160 in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the South Eastern Division
(SED).
Set 467 was reformed as a
2 Cor set for 17th June 1963. In
terms of set numbering this was part of a 2 Cor set numbering range 444 to 467
for CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge
Wells West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services.
Set
468 underwent numerous alterations (including damage from Enemy Action) and did
not carry Crimson Lake & Cream livery (see Individual Set Notes).
The Appendices to Carriage
Working Notices from 6th October 1947 shew set 468 allocated to
‘Rotherhithe Road for Special traffic’ then from 23rd
May 1949 St. Leonards for Special Traffic, 26th September 1949
‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ before 5th June 1950 from when it operated summer
Hastings to LMR (later Hastings – Inter Regional Trains) services (these
services would have been via Eastbourne) until 12th September 1960
(Maunsell set 468 last entry in a CWNA) where it was allocated back at
‘Blackheath for Special Traffic’ during the winter timetable.
After set 468 was
disbanded in April 1961 a replacement BR(S) Green-liveried Restriction ‘4’ 10-set
468 was formed from Bulleid and Mk1 stock (later 11RB) in June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour (Day Boat).
Formation details and subsequent changes are included under Individual Set Notes.
Set 467
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
BTK |
25-Oct-28 |
4063 |
765 |
5151 |
5152 |
5153 |
5154 |
766 |
4064 |
c.1933 |
4063 |
|
5151 |
5152 |
5153 |
5154 |
766 |
4064 |
|
BTK |
CK |
Rest. |
CK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
BTK |
6-Oct-47 |
4063 |
5151 |
‡ |
5153 |
766 |
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
27-Sep-48 |
4063 |
5151 |
‡ |
5153 |
|
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
23-May-49 |
4063 |
5151 |
- |
5153 |
- |
5154 |
5152 |
4064 |
26-Sep-49 |
4063 |
|
- |
5153 |
- |
5154 |
|
4064 |
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
CK |
CK |
BSK |
|
|
|
|
Jun-50
– Jun-62 |
4063 |
5153 |
5154 |
4064 |
|
|
|
|
Mar-63 |
|
|
5154 |
4064 |
|
|
|
|
17-Jun-63
CWNA |
- |
- |
5154 |
4064 |
|
|
|
|
Wdn. |
(Mar-65) |
(Mar-65) |
Mar-65 |
May
65 |
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
467 |
8 Cor Restriction ‘1’
set released Eastleigh Works 25th October 1928: BTK 4063 (diag.2101) Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 as follows: BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Lancing painting dates 17th February 1937 (Olive), 27th
October 1943 and 15th December 1948 (Malachite). Restaurant car added by 6th October 1947 CWNA. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) ‡ Not stencilled with set number. Reformed with Restaurant Car and TK 766 removed by 23rd May
1949 CWNA. TK 766 into set 468 26th May 1949. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Reformed with CK 5152 removed (to 218) by 5th June 1950
CWNA. BTK 4063
(diag.2101) Outshopping Crimson Lake & Cream completed 8th April
1957 and BR(S) Green 3rd December 1957. Reformed as 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 with BSK 4063
& CK 5153 to ‘new’ 2 Cor set 466. BSK 4064 (diag.2104) Set out-of-use (September 1964?) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn
May 1965. |
Set 468
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
BTK |
9-Nov-28 |
4065 |
767 |
5155 |
5156 |
5157 |
5158 |
768 |
4066 |
c.1933 |
4065 |
767 |
5155 |
5156 |
5157 |
|
768 |
4066 |
|
BTK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
2-Jan-35 |
4065 |
767 |
5155 |
5156 |
|
765 |
768 |
4066 |
1-Sep-45 |
|
767 |
|
|
- |
765 |
768 |
4066 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
1946 |
4095 |
765 |
767 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
- |
4066 |
6-Oct-47
(CWNA) |
4095 |
765 |
767 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
- |
4066 |
23-May-49 |
4095 |
765 |
767 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
766 |
4066 |
Jun-50 |
4095 |
|
767 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
|
4066 |
5-Jun-50 |
4095 |
1198 |
1225 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
767 |
4066 |
May-51 |
4095 |
1198 |
1225 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
767 |
|
18-Jun-51 |
4095 |
1198 |
1225 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
767 |
6584 |
13-Jun-55 |
4095 |
1198 |
1225 |
5158 |
5157 |
768 |
767 |
6584 |
19-Sep-55 |
4095 |
767 |
1198 |
5158 |
5157 |
1225 |
768 |
6584 |
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
SK |
SK |
CK |
CK |
SK |
SK |
BSK |
15-Jun-59 |
4095 |
767 |
1198 |
5158 |
5157 |
1225 |
768 |
6584 |
Sep-59 |
|
|
1198 |
|
5157 |
1225 |
|
6584 |
2-Nov-59 |
3550 |
1217 |
1198 |
5591 |
5155 |
1225 |
768 |
3554 |
Nov-59 |
3550 |
1217 |
1198 |
5591 |
5155 |
1225 |
1142 |
3554 |
Apr-61 |
3550 |
1217 |
1198 |
5591 |
5155 |
1225 |
1142 |
3554 |
Wdn. |
Jul-61 |
(May-64) |
28-Apr-61 |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
(Apr-64) |
Jul-61 |
Jul-61 |
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
468 |
8 Cor Restriction ‘1’
set released Eastleigh Works 9th November 1928. BTK 4065 (diag.2101) Reduced to 7 Cor c.1933 with CK 5158 to Loose: BTK 4065
(diag.2101) Reformed (7 Cor) 2nd January 1935 with TK 765 (ex.’Loose’) & CK 5157 to Loose: BTK 4065
(diag.2101) Outshopped Lancing paint 17th December 1936 and 21st
October 1943. Damage repair (Enemy Action) at Eastleigh (outshopped 2nd
March 1945) BTK 4065 and CK 5156 damaged 1st September 1945 (burnt up?)
and withdrawn at Haywards Heath 8th September 1945. CK 5155 to
Loose. Set 468 reformed in 1946 (as 7 Cor) with Maunsell Restriction
‘4’ High-Window BTK 4095, CK 5157 and CK 5158 (all ex.’Loose’) : BTK 4095 (diag.2101 HW) TK 767 damage repair at Eastleigh (outshopped 2nd December
1946) then varnished at Selhurst (outshopped 30th December 1946). Outshopped Lancing post-War Malachite Green 16th August
1948. Strengthened to 8 Cor May 1949 with TK 766 (ex.467): BTK 4095
(diag.2101 HW) Reformed (8 Cor) c.5th June 1950 with TK 1198 (ex.’Loose’) & TK 1225 (ex.’Loose’). TK 765 to set 218 and TK 766 to
set 217. BTK 4095
(diag.2101 LW) Reformed (8 Cor) c.31st May 1951 with BTK 6584 (ex.’Loose’) and BTK 4066 to set 460: BTK 4095
(diag.2101 LW) The order of the set’s coaches changed between the 13th
June 1955 and 19th September 1955 Appendices to
Carriage Working Notices. However, the exact date of this change is not
recorded. The set was previously recorded as being in Lancing Works (A2 exam)
between 24th September 1954 and 18th November 1954. The
revised order was as follows: BTK 4095
(diag.2101 LW) Note - 19th
September 1955 and 11th June 1956, 17th September 1956
Appendices to Carriage Working Notices each erroneously state TK no.1125
instead of no.1225 in set 468. This is corrected in the 17th June
1957 CWNA. The Lancing Works Record cards for TK 1125 confirms allocated
‘Loose’ during this period, nor is it included on any of the
Lancing /CM&EE Record Cards for set 468. Reformed September 1959 with coaches undergoing BR(S) Green repaint
from post-War Malachite Green (outshopped 13th November 1959). BSK
4095, TK 767, CK 5158, CK 5157 & BCK 6584 displaced. Replacement coaches
BSK 3550, SK 1217, CK 5591, CK 5155, BSK 3554 all ex.‘Loose’.
BSK 3550 and BSK 3554 were ex.SECR Matchboarded Restriction ‘1’ Brake coaches. BSK 3550 (diag.169) However,
TK 768 was subsequently withdrawn November 1959 being replaced by TK 1142 (ex.’Loose’) presumably before the set
re-entered traffic. 13th June 1960 Appendix to Carriage Working
Notice confirms set as being formed: BSK 3550
(diag.169) Set
468 was disbanded in April 1961. |
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|
TK 1198 was withdrawn on 28th April 1961 with BSK
3550, BSK 3554, TK 1142, CK 5591 and CK 5515 all withdrawn by July 1961. TK
1217 and TK 1225 were allocated to ‘Loose’. BSK 3550 SECR
Matchboard ‘Continental’ to diag.169 6-compt. Restriction
‘1’ built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon
& Finance Company between June 1924 & August 1924. Malachite livery 6th
January 1948, CLC 29th October 1952 and BR(S) Green 16th
August 1956. Withdrawn July 1961 BSK 3554 SECR
matchboard ‘Continental’ to diag.169 6-compt. Restriction
‘1’ built by Metropolitan Carriage, Wagon
& Finance Company July 1924. Malachite April 1946, varnished September 1952,
CLC 25th October 1955, BR(S) Green 8th October 1957
After withdrawal (July 1961) no.3554 was preserved. |
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|
Replacement 10 set formed June 1961 for Victoria – Newhaven
Harbour (Day Boat) 12th June 1961 CWNA as follows: BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123) * Semi-open type Set reformed 15th December 1961 as follows: BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123) * Semi-open type Set altered to 11 RB c.June 1963. Set reformed 15th December 1961 as follows: BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123) * Semi-open type SO 3925 to Loose June 1963. FK 7644 withdrawn October 1964. SO 3933, SO 3937, SO 3938 & SO 3940 to Loose February 1965. Reduced to 7 RB set for Victoria – Newhaven Harbour services for
14th June 1965 CWNA as follows: BSK* 3959 (Bulleid diag.2123) * Semi-open type Set disbanded September 1965 with BSK 3958 withdrawn 4th
December 1965. |
Set 469 with
Pullman cars heading south through Haywards Heath behind Brighton Atlantic
no.B421 ‘South Foreland’ on Saturday 19th July 1930. © HC Casserley |
8 Cor Sets
(469 & 470)
Sets 469 and 470 comprised Maunsell 59’
Restriction 4 stock. Built at Eastleigh Works these had low windows and
six-compartment brakes. Formed December 1926 (470 HO order no. E95) & February 1927
(469 HO order no. E96) in lined Olive livery. Allocated to the Central Division
(CD).
Set 469
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
Feb-27 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350 |
7665 |
7666 |
7667 |
2351 |
4049 |
8-Sep-33 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350 |
7665 |
|
|
|
4049 |
1-Oct-41 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350 |
7665 |
- |
- |
2351 |
4049 |
c.Aug-44
|
4048
|
2349
|
2350
|
7665
|
- |
- |
2351
|
4049
|
Sep-44 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350
|
7665 |
- |
- |
2351 |
|
4-Jun-45 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350
|
7665 |
- |
- |
2351 |
2789 |
6-Oct-47 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350 |
7665 |
- |
- |
2351 |
2789 |
BTK |
TK |
TK |
FK |
Rest. |
- |
TK |
BTK |
|
5-Jun-50 |
4048 |
2349 |
2350 |
7665 |
‡ |
- |
2351 |
2789 |
21-Sep-53 |
|
2349 |
2350 |
|
‡ |
- |
2351 |
|
BTK |
TK |
TK |
CK |
CK |
TK |
TK |
BTK |
|
14-Jun-54 |
4096 |
2349 |
2350 |
5801 |
5802 |
2351 |
2353 |
4097 |
13-Apr-55 |
4096 |
2349 |
2350 |
|
|
2351 |
2353 |
4097 |
1-May-55 |
4096 |
2349 |
2350 |
5643 |
5685 |
2351 |
2353 |
4097 |
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
SK |
SK |
CK |
CK |
SK |
SK |
BTK |
15-Jun-59 |
4096 |
|
|
5643 |
5685 |
|
|
4097 |
2-Nov-59 |
4096 |
797
|
1833
|
5643 |
5685 |
1237
|
1804
|
4097 |
Disb. Jun-61 |
To
Loose |
Wdn Jun-61 |
To
Loose |
Wdn Jun-61 |
Wdn Jun-61 |
To
Loose |
To
Loose |
Wdn Jun-61 |
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
469 |
8 Cor Restriction ‘4’ set formed February 1927: BTK 4048 (diag.2102) Lancing painting date 14th May 1931, 16th April
1937 with a last recorded Southern Railway varnish on 5th October
1946. FK 7666 to ‘Loose’, FK 7667 to set
430 and TK 2351 to ‘Loose’ 8th September 1933. 5 Cor
set now formed as follows: BTK 4048
(diag.2102) TK 2351 (ex.’Loose’)
reinstated 1st October 1941. 6 Cor set now formed as follows: BTK 4048
(diag.2102) Set damaged by Enemy Action c.August
1944 leading to BTK 4049 being withdrawn in September 1944. Remaining
vehicles repaired now with flush panelled 6-compt. BTK 2789 (ex.’Loose’ – built 1935) reformed 4th
June 1945 (TK 2530 repairs completed 8th June 1945). Set now
formed as follows: BTK 4048
(diag.2102 LW) Outshopped Lancing (E-exam) 1st April 1949 although it is
undetermined if this was Malachite or Crimson Lake and Cream. Restaurant car included from 5th June
1950 CWNA. Set now formed as follows: BTK 4048
(diag.2102 LW) ‡ Not stencilled with set number. Set 469 reformed for 14th June 1954 CWNA with Restaurant car and FK 7665 replaced
with Bulleid CK 5801 & CK 5802 (ex.’Loose’
- 10.25” sidelight vents to HO order no.E3246 3rd
September 1948),
BTK 4048 to ‘Loose’ replaced with BTK 4096 and BTK 2798 (to ‘Loose’)
replaced with BTK 4097; both replacement BTK coaches being 4-compt.
High-Window Restriction ‘4’ (ex.’Loose’
built 1929). TK 2353 (ex.’Loose’)
added. Replacement coach painting dates were: BTK 4096 September 1944, BTK
4097 February 1949, TK 2349 & TK 2350 April 1949, TK 2351 & TK 2353
November 1946, CK 5801 & CK 5802 September 1948. 8 Cor
now formed as follows: BTK 4096 (diag.2101 HW) Bulleid CK 5801 & CK 5802 to
‘Loose’ and replaced with Maunsell High-Window CK 5643 (ex. 194
via ‘Loose’) & CK 5685 (ex.237) from 1st May 1955
CWNA with coaches having entered Lancing
13th April 1955 as follows: TK 2853 (E4-exam) and TK 2349, TK
2351, BTK 4096, BTK 4097 and CK 5845 A2-exams (all outshopped 1st
June 1955). Set now formed as follows: BTK 4096
(diag.2101 LW) Outshopping BR(S) Green completed 3rd
March 1958 Set reformed for 2nd November 1959
CWNA. With SK 2349, SK 2350, SK 2351 & SK 2535 (to ‘Loose’)
replaced with Low Window SK 797 (ex.462), High Window SK 1833 (ex.462), SK
1237 (ex.471) & SK 1804 (ex.471). Set now formed as follows: BSK 4096
(diag.2101 HW) Set disbanded by June 1961. Disbandment as follows: BSK 4096 to ‘Loose’ then wdn August 1961 |
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|
CK 5643 Built
c.1932. ex.194 to ‘Loose’ June 1954 thence set 469 May 1955. Wdn June 1961. CK 5685 Built 11th March 1932. ex.237
to set 469. Wdn June 1961. CK 5801 (Bulleid)
to HO order no.E3246 (3rd September 1948) Loose to Set 469 June
1954 to Loose June 1955 to set 201 November 1959 to set 436 June 1960 to
Loose June 1963. Wdn January 1966. (E4 25th
February 1959).Wdn 29th January 1966. CK 5802 (Bulleid)
to HO order no.E3246 (3rd September 1948) Loose to Set 469 June
1954 to Loose June 1955 to set 201 November 1959 (E4 5th November
1959) to Set 207 June 1960 to set 432 June 1962 to set 952 June 1964. Wdn September 1967. FK 7665 Loose
June 1954 thence set 897 June 1958. Wdn December
1959. FK 7666 Loose
8th September 1933 thence 430 c.1942 (when set 430 was damaged c.July 1941 and reformed 10th June 1941)
thence CLC 6th March 1951 Set 430 reformed 1st May 1955
Loose 22nd November 1956. Wdn July 1959. FK 7667 identified
as Loose but into set 430 on 8th September 1933. Replaced by 7666
and to Loose. Wdn October 1959. |
Set 470
Set 470 was formed for
Eastbourne to London services. The high amount of first-class accommodation
along with the small baggage capacity of the 6 compartment brakes (BTK)
suggests this was intended for business commuters. The set often ran formed
with Pullman coaches inserted in its middle.
Lewes Tunnel had been constructed
with a reduced six-foot at its southern-end requiring an ‘OPPOS’
(i.e. no opposing moves) for certain bogie stock particularly post-1907 builds
(until then coaches were 8’6” wide).
Because of this
operational restriction at Lewes Tunnel, in May 1927 running of 9’ wide
Restriction 4 stock ceased between
Keymer Junction and Lewes; the exception being the Newhaven boat train
(Restriction 4 stock) which was allowed to continue provided the opposite line
was kept clear of traffic while the boat train traversed Lewes Tunnel with an
‘OPPOS’ in operation.
In 1935 the southern-end of Lewes tunnel was widened
for the new trains to be used on the electrification scheme to Eastbourne and
Ore (there is a visible step within the tunnel’s lining on the down
side).
As a consequence, in May
1927 set 470 was transferred to Worthing to London services to operate with
counterpart set 469 often with the addition of a Pullman (contemporary reports
identify this arrangement as ongoing without set changes in 1933).
Circa 1933 set 470 was
reduced to 3 coaches (acquiring CK 5656) following electrification of the
Brighton mainline and Worthing routes and allocated to London, Bognor and
Portsmouth services until they were electrified in July 1938, thence
transferred to the Eastern section on ‘general workings’.
5th May 1941
Appendix to Carriage Working Notice (CWNA) shews set 470 working London,
Ashford, Maidstone East, Minster and Ramsgate services.
June 1947 CWNA shews set
470 working London, Margate, Ramsgate, Dover and turnover set at Stewarts Lane.
30th June 1952
through to 11th June 1956 CWNA shews 3 Cor set 470 working London
– Margate – Ramsgate – Dover – East Grinstead –
Tunbridge Wells West – Brighton – Lewes – Eastbourne and
turnover set at Stewarts Lane.
From 15th June
1957 set 470 was strengthened to 8 set being berthed at Bellingham or Walmer in the Summer and Bellingham in the Winter. However,
set 470 is absent from the 15th June 1957 CWNA having been
withdrawn.
Set 470
Formed /Reform. |
BTK |
TK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
FK |
TK |
BTK |
Feb-27 |
4050 |
2355 |
7674 |
7673 |
7672 |
7671 |
2354 |
4051 |
c.Sep-33 |
4050 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
4051 |
|
BTK |
|
|
CK |
|
|
|
BTK |
c.Dec-33 |
4050 |
- |
- |
5656 |
|
|
|
4051 |
1947-56 |
4050 |
- |
- |
5656 |
|
|
|
4051 |
3-Jun-56 |
BSK |
SO |
SO |
CK |
CK |
SO |
SO |
BSK |
22-Nov-56 |
4050 |
7977 |
7985 |
5656 |
5635 |
7988 |
4392 |
4051 |
15-Jun-59 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Wdn |
(Sep-.61) |
Jul-59 |
Jul-59 |
(Oct-61) |
(Oct-61) |
Jul-59 |
(WR
13-Sep-63) |
(Oct-61) |
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
470 |
8 Cor formed February
1927: BTK 4049 (diag.2102) c.December 1933 reformed to 3 Cor with TK 2354,
TK 2355, FK 7671, FK 7672, FK 7673 & FK 7674 to ‘Loose’. BTK 4049 (diag.2102) Outshopped
varnish 10th August 1940 and 18th September 1943.
Outshopped Malachite 26th September 1946. 22nd November 1956 reformed to 8 Cor with ex.
‘Loose’ SO & CK vehicles. BTK 4049 (diag.2102) Outshopping
BR(S) Green completed 29th May 1959 (some vehicles being repainted
BR(S) Green from Crimson Lake & Cream in January 1958 [SO coaches]
February 1956 CK 5635) Set
withdrawn by 15th June 1959. |
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|
SK 2354 diag.2001.
To ‘loose’ c.33, Malachite to BR(S) Green 2-th February 1957.
Withdrawn November 1961 SK 2355 diag.2001
To ‘loose’ c.33, CLC to BR(S) Green 7th February 1958.
Withdrawn July 1961 SO 4392 diag.93
Lot. no. 30219 Mk1 built Swindon on Ashford underframe 18th May
1957 in CLC. Outshopped Green livery 13th January 1958 thence
Maroon 13-Sep-63 for transfer to WR. Returned to SR 1973 and condemned at
Carlisle in 1976, reinstated and withdrawn at Derby in January 1982.
Preserved via TDB977632. CK 5635 (diag.2301
rstn.‘4’ high-window Corridor Third) built Eastleigh new to set
201 on 9th October 1930. Malachite 27th May 1946.
CLC-livery 13th December 1954. Into set 470 on 22nd
November 1956. To ‘Loose’ 15th June 1959 thence BR(S)
Green 27th July 1956 and set 204 November 1959. Withdrawn November
1961. CK 5656 diag.2301 Maunsell High Window
stock with two lavatory vents. Loose to set 470 c.Dec-63. CLC June 1955.
BR(S) Green 3rd March 1959. To Loose September
1959 thence 8 Cor set 204 November 1959. Wdn
October 1961. FK
7671 diag.2501. To ‘loose’ c.1933,
443 June 1950, ‘loose’ June 1954, CLC to BR(S) Green 9th
December 1958. Withdrawn October 1959. FK 7672 (diag.2501
rstn.‘4’ low-window Corridor First) built Eastleigh and new to
set 470 February 1927. To ‘Loose’ c.September
1933 thence set 202 in 1935. Outshopped Malachite October 1945. ‘Loose’ 16th
April 1951. Outshopped CLC-livery 28th April 1954 and BR(S) Green
13th February 1958. Withdrawn November 1959. FK
7673 diag.2501. To ‘loose’ c.1933,
set 760 May 1943, CLC-livery (date?), BR(S) Green and ‘Loose’ 4th
June 1957, set 432 June 1959, Withdrawn December 1959 FK 7674 diag.2501.
To ‘loose’ c.1933, set 250 c.1936, ‘loose’ June 1951,
CLC-livery (date?), BR(S) Green and ‘Loose’ 30th
September 1957. Withdrawn August 1959 SO 7977 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript
7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 17th January
1958. Withdrawn
July 1959. SO 7985 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript
7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 21st January
1958. Withdrawn
July 1959. SO 7988 (diag.2653) ex.Nondescript
7-bay saloon. CLC-livery (date?) to BR(S) Green 16th January
1958. Withdrawn
July 1959. |
Condemned ex.‘Loose’
FK S7223S |
Loose Vehicles
When record cards exist
the following tables list the known liveries for Loose stock (i.e. not in
sets). If the coach number is not listed then the record card cannot be
located.
Loose TK
Liveries
(diag.2001)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
BR Green |
765 |
c.Oct-28 |
? |
? |
218 |
766 |
c.Oct-28 |
? |
? |
217 |
769 |
c.Jul-27 |
? |
1-Jun-54 |
434 |
778 |
c.Jul-27 |
4-Jun-46 |
2-Mar-56 |
433 |
783 |
Mar-28 |
? |
13-Oct-53 |
432 |
785 |
12-Mar-28 |
28-Jun-46 |
No |
6-Nov-56 |
786 |
12-Mar-28 |
? |
? |
211 |
788 |
12-Mar-28 |
11-Feb-49 |
No |
201 |
789 |
12-Mar-28 |
16-Jul-45 |
6-Sep-54 |
433 |
790 |
24-Mar-28 |
17-Jul-45 |
7-Dec-49 |
201 |
791 |
24-Mar-28 |
18-Jun-46 |
Set |
234 |
792 |
24-Mar-28 |
8-Sep-44 |
29-Jun-63 |
433 |
793 |
24-Mar-28 |
No? |
18-Jan-50 |
20-Dec-57 |
794 |
24-Mar-28 |
10-Feb-47 |
Set |
236 |
798 |
21-Apr-28 |
25-Feb-48 |
No |
9-Oct-56 |
799 |
21-Apr-28 |
18-Feb-48 |
No |
201 |
802 |
21-Apr-28 |
25-Jan-44 |
19-Mar-51 |
14-Dec-56 |
803 |
21-Apr-28 |
25-Jan-40 |
12-Jun-50 |
12-Apr-57 |
804 |
12-May-28 |
No |
9-Mar-50 |
20-Nov-57 |
805 |
12-May-28 |
19-Feb-46 |
No |
201 |
809 |
12-May-28 |
23-Sep-43 |
15-Mar-51 |
18-Feb-58 |
811 |
8-Jun-28 |
? |
? |
16-Jul-57 |
813 |
7-Jun-28 |
4-Jul-41 |
12-Jul-54 |
17-Jul-56 |
814 |
7-Jun-28 |
10-Mar-41 |
8-Dec-49 |
11-Jul-57 |
815 |
7-Jun-28 |
1-Jul-40 |
22-Oct-51 |
11-Oct-57 |
818 |
Jun-28 |
? |
? |
265 |
819 |
Jun-28 |
? |
? |
263 |
821 |
30-Jun-28 |
22-May-44 |
29-Dec-49 |
5-Feb-57 |
825 |
c.Jun-28 |
Yes |
No |
No |
1921 |
Renum. |
Apr-46 |
No |
23-Apr-57 |
1922 |
Renum. |
? |
Mar-50 |
6-Sep-57 |
1923 |
Renum. |
? |
May-52 |
11-Jan-57 |
1924 |
Renum. |
? |
Nov-49 |
26-Jun-57 |
2353 |
c.Dec-26 |
25-Nov-46 |
No |
No |
2355 |
c.Dec-26 |
16-Dec-44 |
18-Dec-53 |
17-Feb-58 |
2356 |
c.Dec-26 |
? |
? |
217 |
2357 |
c.Dec-26 |
? |
? |
217 |
2359 |
c.Dec-26 |
? |
? |
218 |
Loose TK
Liveries
(diag.2004)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
BR Green |
1115 |
15-Oct-29 |
29-Oct-46 |
Yes |
4-Nov-57 |
1116 |
c.Oct-29 |
? |
Yes |
19-Jul-56 |
Loose SK
Liveries
(diag.2201)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
BR Green |
4483 |
Jun-27 |
Apr-46 |
No |
23-Apr-57 |
4484 |
Jun-27 |
? |
Mar-50 |
6-Sep-57 |
4485 |
Jun-27 |
? |
May-52 |
11-Jan-57 |
4486 |
Jun-27 |
? |
Nov-49 |
26-Jun-57 |
Loose BCK
Liveries
(diag.2401)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
Green |
6565 |
Aug-26 |
? |
? |
263 |
6566 |
Aug-26 |
? |
? |
263 |
6568 |
Aug-26 |
1-Oct-43 |
30-Apr-56 |
10-Mar-58 |
6573 |
Sep-26 |
7-Jan-47 |
No |
21-Nov-56 |
Loose BFK
Liveries
(diag.2551)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
Green |
7715 |
8-Jun-28 |
19-Jan-45 |
19-May-49 |
12-Dec-57 |
Loose FK
Liveries
(diag.2501)
Vehicle |
Olive |
Malachite |
CLC |
Green |
7209 |
c.Jun-27 |
1945 |
|
|
7209 |
|
? |
1-Jun-54 |
4-Jan-57 |
7211 |
c.Jun-27 |
1933 |
|
|
7211 |
|
? |
17-Jun-54 |
27-Jul-56 |
7213 |
c.Jun-27 |
1933 |
|
|
7213 |
|
? |
Jun-54 |
1-Jan-58 |
7214 |
c.Jun-27 |
22-Feb-46 |
3-Jun-55 |
14-Aug-57 |
7222 |
c.Jun-27 |
Yes |
No |
6-Sep-56 |
7223 |
c.Jun-27 |
Yes |
No |
24-Aug-56 |
7224 |
c.Jun-27 |
|
Feb-55 |
8-Feb-57 |
7669 |
c.Dec-26 |
? |
|
|
7669 |
|
? |
4-Jul-50 |
14-Aug-58 |
7670 |
c.Dec-26 |
27-Sep-40 |
? |
Yes |
7672 |
Feb-27 |
Oct-45 |
28-Apr-54 |
13-Feb-58 |
7674 |
Feb-27 |
Mar-47 |
23-May-55 |
30-Sep-57 |
Appendix 1
Summary of Maunsell Low Window coaches
(Restriction ‘4’)
Coach |
Number Range |
Allocated New |
TK |
769-778 |
Loose |
TK |
783-832 |
Loose |
TK |
2349-2355 |
469, 470 & Loose |
TK |
1921-1924 |
Loose |
BTK |
3214-3233 |
390-399 |
BTK |
4055-62 |
445-448 |
BTK |
4048-4051 |
469-470 |
BTK |
2772-2773 |
Loose |
SK |
4483-4486 |
Loose |
BSK |
4481-4482 |
Loose |
CK |
5137-5146 |
390-399 |
CK |
5147-5150 |
445-448 |
BCK |
6565-6574 |
Loose |
FK |
7208-7215 |
Southampton boat |
FK |
7216-7227 |
Loose |
FK |
7665-7674 |
465, Loose & 470 |
FK |
7675-7676 |
High Window stock in number range noted only for clarity |
PBFK |
7715-7716 |
Southampton boat |
BFK |
7715-7716 |
Loose |
|
|
|
Kitchen
Dining First |
||
Dining
Saloon Third |
||
|
|
|
(Restriction ‘1’)
Coach |
Number Range |
When New |
TK |
765-768 |
467 & 468 |
TK |
833-836 |
467 & 468 |
TK |
636-638 |
Loose |
BTK |
4063-4066 |
467 & 468 |
BTK |
4067-4082 |
449-454, 465 & 466 |
CK |
5151-5170 |
467, 468, 449-454 |
FK |
7390-7397 |
465 & 466 |
UO |
7974-7993 |
‡ |
|
|
|
(Restriction ‘0’)
Coach |
Number Range |
When New |
TK |
1115-1116 |
Loose |
|
|
|
2 Cor CWNA ‘E’ sets
(Restriction ‘1’)
(180 – 192, 217 – 219, 444 – 467)
There was a shortage of sets for
CWNA ‘E’ Tonbridge – East Grinstead – Tunbridge Wells
West - Brighton - Redhill - Reading Southern services and the decision was made
to permanently split four-coach sets in half. Given
their inter-related history all of the 2 Cor ‘E’ sets numbered 180
to 192. 217 to 219 and 444 to 467 have been covered here.
Maunsell Low-Window sets /set numbers 445 to 459 and 465 to 467 were
reused for the 2 Cor sets in the number range 444 to 467.
In terms of the 2 Cor ‘E’ sets, all but two were withdrawn
when the Redhill to Tonbridge line became diesel operated with 3R
‘Tadpole’ units in January 1965. Sets 190
& 192 (plus CK 5627 ex.219) survived until the closure of Eridge to
Hailsham in June 1965 thus effectively ending the use of Restriction
‘1’ passenger stock.
Summary
Set |
Notes |
|||
180 |
2 Cor replacement for withdrawn 2
Cor ‘North Cornwall’ P set. |
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181 |
Replacement 4 Cor set reformed into
2 Cor sets. |
|||
182 |
4 Cor set reformed into 2 Cor sets. |
|||
183 - 184 |
2 Cor replacement for withdrawn 4
Cor sets. |
|||
185 - 192 |
4 Cor sets reformed into 2 Cor
sets. |
|||
217 - 219 |
4 Cor sets reformed into 2 Cor
sets. |
|||
444 |
2 Cor replacement for |
|||
445 - 448 |
2 Cor replacements for |
|||
449 |
Low Window set |
|||
450 |
Low Window set replaced (4 Cor)
thence |
|||
451 |
4 Cor Low Window set |
|||
452 - 453 |
2 Cor replacements (not Low-Window stock) for
withdrawn 4 Cor Low Window sets. |
|||
454 |
4 Cor Low Window set |
|||
455 - 459 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set
formed (not Low-Window stock). |
|||
460 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set
formed Low-Window stock. |
|||
461 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set
formed (not Low-Window stock). |
|||
462 |
Reformed 2 Cor set (not Low-Window stock). |
|||
463 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set
formed Low-Window stock. |
|||
464 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set formed |
|||
465 - 466 |
2 Cor set formed Low-Window stock. |
|||
467 |
‘New’ 2 Cor set formed
Low-Window stock. |
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|
|
|
|
|
Livery
Livery was BR(S) Green
with prior painting dates included in the original (pre-reformed) set notes.
Set End-Numbering
On 23rd December 1963 two
coaches, BSO 4447 (set 450) and CK 5618 (set 189) were standing in the
departure platform at Tunbridge Wells West and were damaged by a light engine.
A report was made by one of the Waterloo inspectors (RH Griffiths) and it is
interesting that his report identifies set 450 when BSO 4447 was reassigned to
2 Cor set 461. From this it can be reasonably assumed that the sent end numbers
had not been updated. The report is covered under set 450.
2 Cor Formation
Set |
Formed
/Reform. |
BSK |
CK |
Notes |
180 |
Jun-63 |
4439 |
5624 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
c.Sep-63 |
Dec-63 |
Feb-65 |
|
181 |
Jun-63 |
4441 |
5631 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
182 |
c.Sep-62 |
3715 |
5613 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
Sep-64 |
Oct-64 |
Feb-65 |
|
183 |
c.Sep-62 |
4090 |
5614 |
New formation |
Wdn |
Sep-64 |
Oct-64 |
Oct-64 |
|
184 |
c.Sep-62 |
3962 |
5602 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
|
185 |
c.Sep-62 |
3693 |
5603 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
Feb-65 |
27-Feb-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
186 |
c.Sep-62 |
3694 |
5604 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
187 |
c.Sep-62 |
3696 |
5606 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
Disbanded |
30-Jan-65 |
To set 185 |
|
188 |
c.Sep-62 |
3698 |
5608 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
189 |
c.Sep-62 |
3704 |
5618 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
|
190 |
29-Nov-62 |
3706 |
5620 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
26-Jun-65 |
by 25-Jun-65 |
by 25-Jun-65 |
|
191 |
2-Nov-62 |
3708 |
5622 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
1964 |
30-Jan-65 |
See notes |
|
192 |
c.Oct-62 |
3710 |
5625 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
27-Jul-65 |
by 25-Jun-65 |
by 25-Jun-65 |
|
217 |
Oct-62 |
3700 |
5611 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
16-May-64 |
|
218 |
Oct-62 |
3702 |
5615 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
|
219 |
c.Sep-62 |
3712 |
5627 |
Reformed |
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
30-Jan-65 |
30-Jan-65 |
|
444 |
Jun-63 |
3695 |
5605 |
|
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
by 16-Mar-65 |
by 16-Mar-65 |
|
445 |
Jun-63 |
3697 |
|
|
|
Oct-65 |
" |
5624 |
See notes |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
|
446 |
Jun-63 |
3699 |
5609 |
|
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
|
447 |
Jun-63 |
3705 |
5619 |
|
|
Feb-64 |
" |
5613 |
|
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
by 20-Mar-65 |
|
448 |
Jun-63 |
3707 |
5621 |
|
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
by 15-Jan-65 |
by 15-Jan-65 |
|
449 |
21-Aug-62 |
4067 |
5159 |
|
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
by 19-Mar-65 |
|
450 |
c.Sep-62 |
4447 |
5630 |
|
Wdn |
23-Dec-63 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
Out of use |
451 |
Jun-63 |
4071 |
5164 |
|
Wdn |
16-May-64 |
by 20-Apr-64 |
16-May-64 |
|
452 |
Jun-63 |
4432 |
5610 |
|
Wdn |
c.Nov-63 |
12-Mar-64 |
30-Oct-64 |
|
453 |
Jun-63 |
4082 |
5617 |
|
Wdn |
c.Jun-64 |
1-Oct-64 |
1-Oct-64 |
|
454 |
Jun-63 |
4079 |
5169 |
|
Wdn |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
455 |
25-Oct-62 |
3709 |
5623 |
New formation |
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
by 8-Jan-65 |
|
456 |
c.Oct-62 |
3711 |
5629 |
New formation |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
by 12-Mar-65 |
by 12-Mar-65 |
|
457 |
Jun-63 |
3701 |
5612 |
New formation |
Wdn |
16-May-64 |
by 20-Apr-64 |
by 20-Apr-64 |
|
458 |
Jun-63 |
3703 |
5616 |
New formation |
Wdn |
Oct-64 |
Oct-64 |
Oct-64 |
|
459 |
Jun-63 |
3713 |
5626 |
New formation |
Wdn |
30-Jan-65 |
by 30-Oct-64 |
by 15-Jan-65 |
|
460 |
Jun-63 |
4068 |
5160 |
New formation |
Wdn |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
27-Mar-65 |
|
|
|
BSO |
CK |
|
461 |
Jun-63 |
4448 |
5632 |
New formation |
|
Sep-63 |
|
5632 |
See notes |
|
c.Jun-64 |
4450 |
5632 |
See notes |
Wdn |
Sep-64 |
30-Jan-65 |
Oct-64 |
|
|
|
BSK |
CK |
|
462 |
Jun-63 |
3548 |
5538 |
New formation |
Wdn |
May-64 |
by 12-Mar-64 |
by 12-Mar-64 |
|
463 |
Jun-63 |
4072 |
5164 |
New formation |
Wdn |
by May-64 |
16-May-64 |
13-Jun-64 |
|
464 |
Jun-63 |
4080 |
5626 |
New formation |
Wdn |
Oct-64 |
16-Oct-64 |
16-Oct-64 |
|
465 |
Jun-63 |
4078 |
5170 |
New formation |
Wdn |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
Dec-63 |
|
466 |
Jun-63 |
4063 |
5153 |
New formation |
Wdn |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
Mar-65 |
|
467 |
Jun-63 |
4064 |
5154 |
New formation |
Wdn |
OOU |
May-64 |
May-64 |
|
Withdrawal dates |
Lancing
record card (set) |
Individual |
Individual |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Individual Set Notes
Set |
|
Notes |
|
|
180 |
2 Cor
set formed 9th October 1930 (for Swanage portion) outshopped from
Lancing Malachite (31st May 1948) thence used as ‘North
Cornwall’ ‘P’ set. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of BSO 4439 Maunsell Nondescript Brake and CK 5624 Maunsell
High Window Restriction ‘1’ stock (ex. set 181) for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSO 4439 (diag.2654) CK 5624 (diag.2302) Set
disbanded c.September 1963 with BSK 4439 withdrawn
December 1963 and CK 5624 to set 445 February 1965. |
|||
181 |
4 Cor
set formed 19th November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing
Malachite (11th September 1947) and CLC (22nd September
1955). Waterloo Inspector’s memo
dated 7th November 1962 titled ‘Stock
withdrawn and berthed as at 6-11-62’ identified Restriction ‘1’ (original) set 181 comprising BSK 4087,
CK 5173, CK 5174 & BSK 4087 at Hassocks. Set
reformed for 18th June 1961 CWNS with BSO 4439 & BSO 4441
(both Maunsell Nondescript Brakes) and CK 5624 & CK 5631 (Maunsell High
Window) all to Restriction ‘1’. BSO 4439 (diag.2654) CK 5624 (diag.2302) CK 5631 (diag.2302) BSO 4441 (diag.2654) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSO 4439 & CK 5624 to set 180 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSO
4441 (diag.2654) CK 5631 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s
memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSO 4441 & CK 5631 ex ‘Set 181’ at Tonbridge (other
Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 188, 447,
450 & 460). |
|||
182 |
4 Cor
Restriction ‘1’ High-Window set formed 19th November
1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite (24th September 1946)
and BR(S) Green (28th May 1957). BTK 4089 (diag.2104) CK 5175 (diag.2302) CK 5176 (diag.2302) BTK 4090 (diag.2104) Waterloo Inspectors report dated 9th
May 1961 titled ‘Eastbourne’ stated ‘During
shunting operations at Eastbourne on the 9th inst. BSK 4089 of 182
Set was left foul of the adjacent road, and an engine in passing tore the end
corner panel and pillar away and damaged the step board and brackets. It is
on hand pending final disposal‘. Within a memo dated 10th
May 1965 to to MS Hatchell Esq, RSO Eastleigh
copied to J S Cartlidge Esq.,
Stewarts Lane, Battersea, M Pettyfer’s attention. titled ‘K C Electrification Scheme, Phase
II Displacement of Steam Coaching Stock.’ Reference RS.51/1/61A/BU,
Waterloo Inspect Ernie Tozer stated ‘The undermentioned are under review for possible condemnation. BSK
4089 In traffic then damaged at Eastbourne 9-5-61, then 24-5-61 @ Stewarts Lane being marked cond. to
Hassocks’. Within a subsequent memo dated 10th
May 1961 to MS Hatchell Esq, RSO Eastleigh titled ‘Kent Coast Electrification Scheme, Phase II
Displacement of Steam Coaching Stock.’ Reference RS.51/1/61A/BU,
Waterloo Inspect Ernie Tozer stated ‘Below for your confirmation
please. BSK 4089 of 182 Set damaged at
Eastbourne 9-5-61 not on condemnation, I suggest BSK 4066 P10-55, V2-60 on
the A list be retained and the former withdrawn. (Note – A Putnam
agrees). (later addendum to memo ‘break up’). Reformed 27th October
1961 with BSK 4089 (withdrawn), CK 5175 & CK 5176 (both withdrawn
December 1961) replaced with BSK 3715 (ex.’Loose’
– Restriction ‘4’), CK 5613 (ex.’Loose’)
and CK 5614 (ex.’Loose’). BSK 3715 (diag.2104) CK 5613 (diag.2302) CK 5614 (diag.2302) BSK 4090 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 4090 & CK 5614 to set 183 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3715 (diag.2654) CK 5613 (diag.2302) Set
disbanded September 1964 with BSK 3715 withdrawn October 1964 and CK to set
447 February 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3715 ex ‘Set 182’ at Polegate
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in
this memo were 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever, 458 Walton &
461 Polgate). |
|||
183 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite
(12th February 1944) [no subsequent painting dates]. BTK 4091 (diag.2104) CK 5177 (diag.2302) CK 5582 (diag.2302) BTK 4092 (diag.2104) Set
disbanded with BSK 4091, CK 5177 & CK 5582 withdrawn from Lancing 28th
June 1958 and BSK 4092 to ‘Loose’ 22nd July 1958. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed from High-Window BSK 4090 and CK 5614 (ex. set 182): BSK 4090 (diag.2104) CK 5614 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn September 1964 with BSK 4090 and CK 5614 withdrawn October 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4090 & CK 5614 ex ‘Set
183’ at Brighton (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor
‘E’ sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 445 Brighton,
447 Micheldever, 458 Walton & 461 Polgate). |
|||
184 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed November 1929 (SWD) outshopped from Lancing Malachite
(4th December 1943) [no subsequent painting dates]. BTK 4093 (diag.2104) CK 5583 (diag.2302) CK 5584 (diag.2302) BTK 4094 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn from Lancing 16th August 1958. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed from High-Window BSK 3692 and CK 5604 (ex. set 185): BSK 3692 (diag.2104) CK 5604 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3695 & CK 5602 ex ‘Set
184’ at Polegate. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included
in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455. |
|||
185 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed 2nd February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from
Lancing CLC (19th June 1950) and BR(S) Green 23rd
September 1957. BTK 3692 (diag.2104) CK 5602 (diag.2302) CK 5603 (diag.2302) BTK 3693 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3692 & CK 5602 to set 184 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3693 (diag.2654) CK 5603 (diag.2302) CK
5603 withdrawn 30th January 1965 replaced by CK 5606 (ex. set 187)
February 1965 as follows: BSK
3693 (diag.2654) CK 5606 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn February 1965 with BSK 3693 withdrawn 27th February 1965
& CK 5606 withdrawn 27th March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included CK 5603 ex ‘Set 185’ at Reading
South (also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 448 Tonbridge & 459 Eastbourne). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5606 ex ‘Set
185’ at Polegate (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included
in this memo were 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447
Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge). |
|||
186 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed 2nd February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from
Lancing Malachite (28th November 1948), CLC (1st May
1950) and BR(S) Green 17th March 1958. BTK 3694 (diag.2104) CK 5604 (diag.2302) CK 5605 (diag.2302) BTK 3695 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3695 & CK 5605 (to set 444) for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3694 (diag.2654) CK 5604 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo
dated 19th March 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSK 3694 & CK 5604 ex ‘Set 186’ at Polegate (other
Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate,
444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate &
452 Tonbridge). |
|||
187 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed 12th February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from
Lancing Malachite (10th February 1948) thence BR(S) Green 20th
June 1957. BTK 3696 (diag.2104) CK 5606 (diag.2302) CK 5607 (diag.2302) BTK 3697 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3697 & CK 5607 to set 445 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3696 (diag.2654) CK 5606 (diag.2302) Set
disbanded with BSK 3969 withdrawn 30th January 1965 and CK 5606 to
set 185 February 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included BSK 3696 ex ‘Set 187’ at Tonbridge
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 448
Tonbridge, 459 Eastbourne & 185 Reading South). |
|||
188 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed 12th February 1931 (SWD) outshopped from
Lancing Malachite (23rd October 1944), CLC 8th July
1955 thence BR(S) Green believed 12th July 1960 A2-exam (last E4
exam 1st August 1962). BTK 3698 (diag.2104) CK 5608 (diag.2302) CK 5609 (diag.2302) BTK 3699 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3699 & CK 5609 to set 446 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3698 (diag.2654) CK 5608 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s
memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSK 3698 & CK 5608 ex ‘Set 188’ at Tonbridge (other
Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 181, 447,
450 & 460). |
|||
189 |
4 Cor
High-Window set formed 17th March 1931 (SWD) outshopped from
Lancing Olive (22nd
February 1938), CLC 9th May 1951 thence BR(S) Green
September 1961. BTK 3704 (diag.2104) CK 5618 (diag.2302) CK 5619 (diag.2302) BTK 3705 (diag.2104) Set
reformed as 2 Cor with BSK 3705 & CK 5619 to set 447 for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSK
3704 (diag.2654) CK 5618 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3704 & CK 5618 ex ‘Set
189’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo
were 456) at Paddock Wood. |
|||
190 |
4 Cor
set formed 17th March 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (25th
September 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th September 1958: Reformed
to 2 Cor 29th November 1962 as follows (with BSK 3707 and CK 5621
to set 448). BSK 3706 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 26th July 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 25th June 1965 titled
‘Reduction in coaching stock’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated
‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3706 & CK 5620 ex ‘Set
190’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo
were 192) at Tonbridge. |
|||
191 |
4 Cor
set formed 9th May 1932 outshopped from Lancing CLC (15th
December 1950) and BR(S) Green 16th September 1959. Reformed
to 2 Cor 2nd November 1962 as follows (with BSK 3709 and CK 5623
to set 455): BSK 3708 (diag.2104) BSK
3708 withdrawn 30th January 1965. Record card states CK 5622
to set 452 February 1965 but believed withdrawn 7th September 1964
(Winter) CWNA. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3708 ex ‘Set 191’ Brighton now
moved to Hassocks. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in
this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455. |
|||
192 |
4 Cor
set formed c.1932 outshopped from Lancing CLC (2nd April 1951) and
BR(S) Green 9th January 1958. Reformed
to 2 Cor c.October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3711
and CK 5629 to set 456): BSK 3710 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 27th July 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 25th June 1965 titled
‘Reduction in coaching stock’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated
‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3710 & CK 5625 ex ‘Set
192’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo
were 190) at Tonbridge. |
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217 |
8 Cor
set formed 10th March 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (28th
October 1947), CLC (13th April 1956) and BR(S) Green 5th
December 1957. Various reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor. Reformed
to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3701 & CK 5611 to set 457): BSK 3700 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 16th May 1964. |
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218 |
8 Cor
set formed 26th February 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (6th
June 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th December 1957. Various
reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor. Reformed
to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3703 and CK 5616 to set 458): BSK 3702 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th January 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3702 & CK 5615 ex ‘Set
218’ at Polegate. Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included
in this memo were 184, 191, 218 & 455. |
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219 |
8 Cor
set formed 14th April 1931 outshopped from Lancing Malachite (6th
June 1947) and BR(S) Green 11th December 1957. Various
reformations took place with set becoming 4 Cor. Reformed
to 2 Cor October 1962 as follows (with BSK 3703 and CK 5616 to set 458): BSK 3702 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 30th January 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 26th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
27-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3712 ‘ex
‘Set 219’ at Polegate. |
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444 |
4 Cor
set formed c.1927 (LSWR Ironclad 1923-1925 stock), reformed as an 8 Cor 1st
June 1952 and withdrawn in 1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 186) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3695 (diag.2104) CK 5605 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3695 & CK 5605 ex
‘Set 444’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor
sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446
Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge). |
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445 |
3 Cor
Low Window set formed August 1928 and withdrawn 11th October
1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for Replacement
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 187) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3697 (diag.2104) CK 5607 (diag.2302) CK
5607 withdrawn October 1964 and replaced by CK 5624 (ex. set 180). BSK 3697 (diag.2104) CK 5624 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included CK 5607 ex ‘Set 445’ at Brighton
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in
this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 447 Micheldever, 458 Walton &
461 Polgate). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3697 & CK 5624 ex
‘Set 445’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor
sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 446
Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge). |
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446 |
3 Cor
Low Window set formed 17th August 1928 and withdrawn on 11th October
1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for Replacement
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 187) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3699 (diag.2104) CK 5609 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3699 & CK 5609 ex
‘Set 446’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor
sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445
Polegate, 447 Tonbridge, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge). |
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447 |
3 Cor
Low Window set formed September 1928 and withdrawn 11th October
1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 189) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3705 (diag.2104) CK 5619 (diag.2302) In a memo date 26th August 1964 titled
‘TONBRIDGE’, Waterloo Inspector Ernie Tozer wrote: “CK 5619 of 447 Set (Rest 1) carded
Tonbridge to Clapham Jct. is on hand with a badly bent headstock and end rail
fractured. This vehicle can be spared by the Operations
Dept. and will be sent to Micheldever as a potential withdrawal in the near
future”. CK
5619 withdrawn October 1964 and replaced by CK 5613 (ex. set 182). BSK
3705 (diag.2104) CK 5613 (diag.2302) Memo dated 14th February 1964 from
Lancing as follows: From R.S.O., LANCING WORKS 12.30pm Fri. 14-2-64. Anticipated 9.55am WEDNESDAY 19-2-64, LANCING to LONDON Formation to be advised |
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- VICTORIA, Grosvenor Rd Sidings - TONBRIDGE |
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3 of Set 981 (1192 + 1890 + 1852) |
- BASINGSTOKE |
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First 7641 Van B (News) 273 Compo Bkes 6727 + 6728 + 21264 + 21267 |
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Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 with an Eastleigh memo dated 19th March 1965 (reference
RS.51/1/64/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 20-3-65’
identified CK 5613 as having been withdrawn and marked condemned at
Tonbridge. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included CK 5619 ex ‘Set 447’ at Micheldever
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in
this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 458 Walton & 461
Polegate). Waterloo Inspector’s
memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-3-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSK 3705 ex ‘Set
447’ at Tonbridge (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets
included in this memo were 181, 188, 450 & 460). On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to
dispatch BSK 3705, CK 5619 and CK 5613 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd
May 1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK
3698, BSK 3705, BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK 5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631 with BG
M30687 (dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth
vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co,
Queenborough. The train
(no.19) ran on Saturday
29th May 1965 with the coaches being sold on 5th
June 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5613 ex ‘Set
447’ at Tonbridge(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included
in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446
Polegate, 449 Polegate & 452 Tonbridge). |
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448 |
3 Cor
Low Window set formed September 1928 and withdrawn on 20th September
1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 190) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3707 (diag.2104) CK 5621 (diag.2302) Set
withdrawn 30th January 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included BSK 3707 & CK 5621 ex ‘Set 448’
at Tonbridge (also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 459 Eastbourne & 185 Reading
South). |
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449 |
4 Cor
Low Window set released Eastleigh 4th January 1929 and reformed to 2
Cor 21st August 1962 as follows (with BSK 4068 and CK 5160 to set
460): BSK 4067 (diag.2104) Set
withdrawn 27th March 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 4067 & CK 5159 ex
‘Set 449’ at Polegate(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor
sets included in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445
Polegate, 446 Polegate, 447 Tonbridge & 452 Tonbridge). |
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450 |
4 Cor
Low Window set released Eastleigh works 4th January 1929 with
all four coaches withdrawn 2nd February 1961. Reformed
(by 18th June 1962) with nondescript BSO and High Window
restriction ‘1’ stock as follows: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) Circa
September 1962 this set was reduced to a 2 Cor as follows with BSO 4448 and
CK 5632 to set 461. Set now formed: BSO 4447 (diag.2654) BSO 4447 damaged on 23rd December
1963 entering Lancin Works for damage repair 7th January 1964
being outshopped 9th March 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s
(R.H. Griffiths) report states: On 23rd December
1963 two coaches, BSO 4447 (set 450) and CK 5618 (set 189) were standing in
the departure platform at Tunbridge Wells West and due to a misunderstanding
between the shunter and the signalman, a light engine ran into the same
platform causing the following damage: BSO No. 4447 (Heavy November 1958, Varnish October 1961) 1 headstock
bent behind buffer castings, 1 diagonal slightly bent. 1 buffer
casting bent, 1 emergency box glass broken. 1 lavatory door, bottom
hinge adrift, 1 wash basin broken. CK No. 5618 (Heavy August 1961) had no visible damage. These two
vehicles were coupled as a 2 coach set at the time of the
incident. Both to be sent to Lancing for intermediate repairs after
lifting on site. In
terms of the Waterloo Inspector’s report in 23rd December
1963, diag.2302 seven-compartment CK 5618 was in Restriction ‘1’
set 189 which was formed new as 4 Cor 17th March 1931, but
reduced to a 2 Cor in June 1963 with BSK 3704 (to operate Eastbourne –
Tonbridge – Reading South services). CK 5618 was withdrawn March 1965.
The other half of set 189 (BSK 3705 & CK 5619) were sent to set 447 until
that set disbanded end Summer 1964. Both
BSO 4447 and CK 5630 were withdrawn 27th March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s
memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSO 4450 & CK 5630 ex ‘Set 450’ at Tonbridge (also
sets 181, 188, 447 & 460). On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to
dispatch BSO 4447 and CK 5630 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd May
1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK 3698,
BSK 3705, BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK
5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631, CK 5613 with BG M30687
(dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co, Queenborough. The train (no.19) ran on Saturday 29th
May 1965 with
the coaches being sold on 5th June 1965. |
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451 |
4 Cor
Low-Window Restriction
‘1’ set released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929 and reformed to 2 Cor set for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 4071 (diag.2104) CK 5163 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
16th May 1964 (Lancing
record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 20th April 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 18-4-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 451’ (other
Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 457) at
Tonbridge. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th May 1964
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
2-May-64’ included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 451’as having been
withdrawn and marked condemned at Tonbridge (other Restriction
‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 463). |
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452 |
4 Cor
Low Window set released Eastleigh works 2nd February 1929 and
condemned on 31st October
1959. Replacement
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June
1963 CWNA. BSO 4432 was a nondescript brake; CK 5610 High-Window coach. BSO 4432 (diag.2654) CK 5610 (diag.2302) Set
possibly out of use November 1963. BSO 4432 withdrawn by 12th March 1964, CK 5610 by 30th October 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 30th October 1964
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 31-10-64’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included CK 5610 ex ‘Set 452’ at Brighton
(also set 459 Tonbridge). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/64/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
13-3-65’ identified BSO 4432 ex ‘Set 452’ as having been
withdrawn and marked condemned at Paddock Wood (other Restriction
‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189, 456, 462, 466
& 467) at Paddock Wood. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 19th March 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
20-3-65’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included CK 5622 ex ‘Set
452’ at Tonbridge(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included
in this memo were 185 Polegate, 186 Polegate, 444 Polegate, 445 Polegate, 446
Polegate, 447 Tonbridge & 449 Polegate). |
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453 |
4 Cor
Low Window set released Eastleigh 26th February 1929 and all
coaches withdrawn 26th September 1959. Set
453 was reformed October 1959 with BR(S) Green liveried coaches as
follows: BSK 4092 (diag.2104 HW) In
poor condition, BSK 4092 was replaced by BSK 4082 10th May
1961. BSK 4082 (diag.2104 LW) 4 Cor
set 453 was reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June 1963 CWNA with
BSK 4080 & CK 5626 going to form 2 Cor set 464. BSK 4082 (diag.2104) 2 Cor
set 453 believed withdrawn from service during period of 15th June
1964 CWNA with BSK 4080 and CK 5617 both withdrawn at Tonbridge on 1st October
1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 1st October 1964
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included BSK 4082
& CK 5617 ex ‘Set 453’ at Tonbridge BSK 4082 was a Restriction ‘1’
low-window six compartment brake to diag.2104 originally from set 466
(released 16th April 1929). CK 5617 was a
Restriction ‘1’ high-window seven compartment composite to
diag.2302 originally from set 218 (released 26th February
1931) via set 455. |
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454 |
4 Cor released Eastleigh 25th February 1929
with one BTK changed following damage possibly by Enemy Action early in
October 1940. Reduced to 2 Cor for the 17th June
1963 CWNA with BSK 4078 & CK 5170 going to form 2 Cor set 465. Set now
formed: BSK 4079 (diag.2104) Set withdrawn December 1963 with an Eastleigh memo dated 24th January
1964 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
25-1-64’ identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having been withdrawn and
marked condemned at Eastbourne. A subsequent Eastleigh memo dated 22nd April 1964
(reference RS.51/3/1/BU) titled ‘Condemned coaching vehicles –
Disposal’ [to South Wales] identified BSK 4079 & CK 5169 as having
been sold to Birds Motors on 25th April 1964 having been
dispatched from Eastbourne week-ending 18th April 1964. |
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455 |
4 Cor
set formed LSWR stock after reformations withdrawn 2nd July 1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 191) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3709 (diag.2104) CK 5623 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
30th January 1965 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo
date 8th January 1965 titled ‘Reduction in
coaching stock W/E 9-1-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU) stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have
been withdrawn and marked condemned’ and included BSK 3708 (ex. ‘Set 191’) at Brighton.
Other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 184,
191, 218 & 455. |
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456 |
4 Cor
set formed of Maunsell High-Window
Restriction ‘4’ stock 6th
January 1965 after reformations withdrawn 18th December 1961. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3711 (diag.2104) CK 5629 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
27th March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3711 & CK 5629 ex ‘Set
456’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this
memo were 189, 452, 462, 466 & 467) at Paddock Wood. |
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457 |
5 Cor
set formed LSWR stock after reformations withdrawn 19th December
1960. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 217) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3701 (diag.2104) CK 5612 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
16th May 1964 (Lancing record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 20th April 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 18-4-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3701 & CK 5612 ex ‘Set
457’ (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo
were 451) at Tonbridge. |
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458 |
3 Cor
set formed of Maunsell High-Window
Restriction ‘4’ stock and
after reformations was disbanded 4th January 1958. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3703 (diag.2104) CK 5616 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
October 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 3703 & CK 5616 ex ‘Set
458’ at Walton (other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’
sets included in this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447
Micheldever & 461 Polgate). |
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459 |
6 Cor
set formed of Maunsell High-Window
Restriction ‘4’ stock and after
reformations was disbanded in October 1961. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell High-Window Restriction
‘1’ stock (ex. set 192) for 17th June 1963 CWNA. BSK 3713 (diag.2104) CK 5628 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
30th January 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 30th October 1964
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
31-10-64’ stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been
withdrawn and marked condemned’ included BSK 3713 ex ‘Set 459’ at Tonbridge
(also set 452 Brighton). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 15th January 1965
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 16-1-65’
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ included CK 5628 ex ‘Set 459’ at Eastbourne
(also 2 Cor sets 187 Tonbridge, 448 Tonbridge & 185 Reading South). |
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460 |
Set
460 condemned (as 10 Cor) Waterloo 24th July 1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed Maunsell Low-Window Restriction ‘1’
stock 21st August 1962 (ex.449) BSK 4068 (diag.2104) Coaches
withdrawn 27th March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s
memo dated 5th May 1965 (reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled
‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E 6-Mar-65’ stated ‘The
undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked condemned’
included BSK 4068 & CK 5160 ex ‘Set 460’ at Tonbridge (also
sets 181, 188, 447 & 450). On 18th May 1965 (Ref: RS.63/1/157.DA) it was arranged to
dispatch BSK 4068 and CK 5160 from Herne Hill on Saturday 22nd May
1965 on a train additionally comprising condemned coaching stock BSK 3698,
BSK 3705, BSK 4068, BSO 4447, CK
5160, CK 5608, CK 5630, CK 5631, CK 5613 with BG M30687
(dispatched from Dover Marine by ordinary means to make the tenth vehicle) to Peter Wood & Co, Queenborough. The train (no.19) ran on Saturday 29th
May 1965 with
the coaches being sold on 5th June 1965. |
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461 |
Set
461 withdrawn 17th July 1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963 Restriction
‘1’ stock from set 450. BSO 4448 was a nondescript and CK 5632
Maunsell High-window built Eastleigh c.April 1931. BSO 4448 (diag.2654) BSO
4448 withdrawn December 1963 and set 461 reformed June 1964 with nondescript
BSO 4450 (ex.212). BSO 4450 (diag.2654) Set
disbanded by October 1964 CK
5632 withdrawn October 1964. BSO
4450 withdrawn 30th January 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 2nd October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 3-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included CK 5632 ex ‘Set 461’ at Polegate
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor ‘E’ sets included in
this memo were 182 Polegate, 183 Brighton, 445 Brighton, 447 Micheldever
& 458 Walton). |
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462 |
Set
462 formed as 6 Cor ‘Thanet’ stock (later strengthened to 8 Cor). In May
1958 set 462 was reformed to a 2 Cor (Restriction ‘1’ set) with
two coaches from set 463. No.3548 was 7-compartment Brake ex.SECR
‘Continental’ to diagram 164 and 1925 Maunsell
‘Thanet’ 7-compartment Composite no.5538 to diagram ? from 463
via Loose. Brake
3548 outshopped CLC July 1951 and Green July 1957; CK 5538 outshopped CLC Dec
1955 and Green October 1957. Set disbanded c.1958. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed of Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ stock for 17th June
1963 CWNA BSO 4432 was a nondescript brake; CK 5610 High-Window coach. BSO 4443 (diag.2654) CK 5633 (diag.2302) Withdrawn
by May 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSO 4433 & CK 5633 ex ‘Set 462’
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189,
452, 456, 466 & 467) at Paddock Wood. |
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463 |
10 Cor
set 463 formed Summer 1925 was disbanded 17th July 1959. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963
with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches from
set 451: BSK 4072 (diag.2104) BSK 4072 withdrawn 16th May 1964. CK
5164 withdrawn 13th June 1964. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 8th May 1964
(reference RS.51/1/63/BU) titled ‘Reduction of coaching stock W/E
2-May-64’ included BSK 4071 ex ‘Set 463’ as having been
withdrawn and marked condemned at Tonbridge (other Restriction
‘1’ 2 Cor set included in this memo were 451). |
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464 |
4 Cor
Maunsell High-Window set formed by 1931, reduced to 3 Cor thence reformed to 8
Cor 22nd November 1956 and withdrawn 17th /18th
July 1959 (with one CK to ‘Loose’). ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963
with Maunsell Restriction ‘1’ coaches from set 453. BSK
4080 Low-Window; CK 5626 High-Window stock: BSK 4080 (diag.2104) Outshopping in BR(S) Green BSK 4080
- July 1956. CK 5626 – September 1959. Set withdrawn October 1964 (Lancing
record card). Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 16th October 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 17-10-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4080 & CK 5626 ex ‘Set
464’ at Tonbridge. |
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465 |
8 Cor
set 466 formed 21st March 1929
and disbanded by June 1961. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963
with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex.
set 454: BSK 4078 (diag.2104) Withdrawn
December 1963. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 31st January 1964
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 1-2-64’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4078 & CK 5170 ex ‘Set
465’ at Tonbridge. |
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466 |
8 Cor
set 466 formed 16th April 1929 and disbanded by June 1961. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for 17th June 1963
with Maunsell Low-Windows Restriction ‘1’ coaches ex.
set 454: BSK 4063 (diag.2104) Withdrawn
March 1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4063 & CK 5153 ex ‘Set 466’
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189,
452, 456, 462, & 467) at Paddock Wood. |
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467 |
8 Cor
set 467 formed February 1927 and disbanded by June 1961. ‘New’
2 Cor set formed for for 17th June
1963: BSK 4064 (diag.2104) Set
out-of-use (believed September 1964) with BSK 4064 and CK 5154 withdrawn May
1965. Waterloo Inspector’s memo dated 12th March 1965
titled ‘Reduction in coaching stock W/E 13-3-65’ (reference RS.51/1/64/BU)
stated ‘The undermentioned vehicles have been withdrawn and marked
condemned’ and included BSK 4064 & CK 5154 ex ‘Set 467’
(other Restriction ‘1’ 2 Cor sets included in this memo were 189,
452, 456, 462 & 466) at Paddock Wood. |
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Appendix 3
Diagram Numbers
(Low Window Diagram nos. in Bold)
Diag. |
Notes. |
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93 |
British Railways Mk.1 Second Open (SO)
Restriction ‘4’ (C1). |
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73 |
British Railways Mk.1 First Open (FO) Restriction
‘4’ (C1). |
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128 |
British Railways Mk.1 Corridor Composite (CK)
Restriction ‘4’ (C1). |
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131 |
Ex.LSWR 56’
Corridon Brake Third (BTK) flush-sided built 1911. |
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137 |
Ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’
Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1925 |
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165 |
‘Thanet’
5-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) built 1925. |
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169 |
Ex.SECR matchboarded
‘Continental’ 6-compt. restriction ‘0’
Corridor
Brake Third (BTK) built 1924. |
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317 |
‘Thanet’
7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK) built 1925. |
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476 |
Ex.LSWR ‘Ironclad’ 7-compt. Corridor
First (FK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1925 |
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2001 |
Maunsell Corridor Third (TK) Restriction ‘4’ built 1927-1928 (Low Window) and 1929-1934 (High Window). |
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2003 |
Maunsell Corridor Third (TK) Restriction ‘1’ built 1928-1929 (Low Window) and 1931 (High Window). |
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2022 |
Maunsell
7-compt. Corridor Third (TK) Low Window Restriction ‘1’. [ex.FK
converted c.May 1954]. |
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2101 |
Maunsell 4-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BCK)
Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1928 (Low Window) or 1929-1930 (High
Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2102 |
Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK)
Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1929 (Low Window) or 1929-1932 (High
Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2103 |
Maunsell
4-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK) Restriction ‘1’ Low Window
built 1929 (nos.4063 to 4066). |
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2104 |
Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BTK)
Restriction ‘1’ built 1927 (Low Window) or 1929-1931 (High
Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2110 |
Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Third (BCK) High
Window built 1933. |
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2113 |
Maunsell Corridor Brake Third (BTK) High Window flush-panelled stock built 1935. |
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2123 |
Bullied Corridor Brake Third (semi-open) (BTK)
Restriction ‘4’ with 15” sidelight vents built 1948 to 1951
& 10.25” sidelight vents built 1946 to 1958. |
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2201 |
Maunsell 8-compt. Corridor Second (SK) Low Window built 1927 (nos.4483 to 4486). [Became diag.2001 in 1954 (nos.1921 to 1924)]. |
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2301 |
Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK)
Restriction ‘4’ built 1926-1929 (Low Window nos.5137 to 5150) or
1929-1932 (High Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2302 |
Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor Composite (CK)
Restriction ‘1’ built 1928-1929 (Low Window nos.5151 to 5170) or
1929-1931 (High Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2318 |
Bulleid 7-compt Corridor Composite (CK). |
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2401 |
Maunsell 6-compt. Corridor Brake Composite (BCK)
Restriction ‘4’ built 1926 (Low Window) or 1929-1930 (High
Window) builds. This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2501 |
Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Restriction
‘4’ built 1927 (Low Window) and 1930 (High Window). This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2502 |
Maunsell 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Low Window
built Restriction ‘1’ built 1929 (nos.7390-7397). [Some became
TK diag.2022 (c.May 1954)]. |
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2551 |
Maunsell 3-compt. Corridor Pantry Brake First
Restriction ‘4’ built 1929. [Rebuilt to diag.2551A Brake First in 1949] |
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2551A |
Maunsell 3-compt. Corridor Brake First (BFK)
Restriction ‘4’. [Rebuilt from diag.2551 Pantry Brake First in
1949] |
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2552 |
Bulleid 7-compt. Corridor First (FK) Restriction
‘4’ 15” sidelight vents built 1949-1951. |
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2651 |
Maunsell
Kitchen Dining First (nos.7858-7863) Low Window Restriction ‘4’
built 1927. |
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2652 |
Maunsell
Dining Saloon Third (nos.7864-7869) Low Window Restriction ‘4’
built 1927. |
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2653 |
Maunsell 7-bay ex.Nondescript
Saloon (UO) Restriction ‘I’ (nos.7974 to 7993) built 1928 (Low
Window) and built 1931 (High Window). This diagram number is the same for Low Window
(LW) or High Window (HW) builds. |
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2654 |
Maunsell General Saloon with Brake (nondescript)
(later used as BSO) High Window (nos.4431-4450) |
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2654A |
Maunsell General Saloon with Brake (nondescript)
(later used as BSO) High Window (nos.4431-4437 & 4439-4441) modified in
1956 with roof periscopes added. |
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Appendix 4
SR
Repairs
The Southern Railway /
Southern Region used the following codes which continued at Lancing Works
through to its closure. |
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Code |
Notes |
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A |
Intermediate or Heavy
Intermediate repair. Whist the A2-exam could include a varnish from July 1956
the opportunity was regularly taken to repaint CLC-liveried stock into
Green-livery. |
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E |
General Repair
(including repaint) |
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S |
An examination to ensure
a vehicle was fit for service when it was not scheduled for a repair |
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V |
Varnish - usually ever
2½ years (Southern Railway code) |
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Compilation |
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In terms of information
sources Glen Woods regularly used the terms ‘Lancing’ and
‘Waterloo’ record cards although this is slightly misleading as
the so-called ‘Waterloo’ record cards were maintained at the
CM&EE Rolling Stock Records Office, based in Tooley Street, London Bridge
(until 1966 when they moved to the newly constructed Southern House at
Croydon). The Carriage & Wagon Notice Appendices (CWNA) are a useful
source of information although to contain discrepancies and could not cover
changes made after publication. |
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Prepared by railway historians Colin Watts &
Luke Arnold. Thanks to the late Glen Woods, historical author Mike King (including
permission to use photographs from his collection), the works of David
Gould and the Bluebell Railway Museum. This page may be subject to
updates and corrections as further information becomes available. |
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Recommended
reading is as follows: |
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The Illustrated
History of Southern Coaches |
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Maunsell’s
SR Steam Carriage Stock |
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Southern Coaches
Survey – Pre-grouping and BR MK1 Stock |
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Lancing 1956 |
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