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Passenger Carrying Coaches

SR Corridor Stock
(North Cornwall ‘P’ Sets)

 

‘P’ set 179 (coaches 6673 & 3732) hauled by T9 locomotive 30313 leaves Yeoford with the 3.48pm Exeter Central to Okehampton service on Saturday 7th May 1960.

© S.C. Nash (Mike King Collection)

 

Sets 22 to 31,
168, 172, 178 to 180
& 196 to 200

The 2-COR (two-coach ‘P’) sets were employed on the Southern’s North Cornwall ‘Withered Arm’ lines. These sets comprised of a Maunsell Corridor Brake Third (BTK to diagram nos. 2102, 2110 or 2113) and a Corridor Brake Composite (BCK to diagram no.2401 or 2403).

In addition, both the Waterloo and Lancing Works Record Cards shew in late 1959 (through into 1960) a Bulleid Corridor Brake Composite (BCK to diagram no.2406) used in set 23.

Subsequent to this, some Maunsell Nondescript Brake Second Open coaches (diagram no.2654) were substituted for both BSK (sets 198 & 199) & BCK coaches (set 180). The latter instance included strengthening to 3-coach with a Maunsell CK (ex.181); presumably to provide 1st class accommodation in set 180.

 

 

BCK coach 6657 of ‘P’ set 199 at Exeter Central circa 1955; the set unusually ran with two mis-matched livery coaches. Both were repainted BR(S) Green on 27th July 1958.

Note the frameless balancing droplights on this coach; this being undertaken when it was refurbished for the Bournemouth Limited in 1938.

© T.A. Barry (Mike King Collection)

 

‘P’ Set Formations
(Waterloo & Lancing Record Cards)

 

Set
No.

Formed /Reform.

BTK
No.

Diag.
No.

BCK
No.

Diag.
No.

BCK
from

BCK
sent to

22

Feb-47

Feb-51
14-Jun-60
Nov-60

2790

(ex.265)

"

"

"

2113

"

"

"

6577

6691#1
6648

6669#2

2401

2403
2401

2401

Loose

Loose
Loose
Loose

Loose

615 (PP)
Loose?
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

23

Feb-49

Dec-59
Sep-60
Nov-60
Dec-62

2792
(ex.265)

"

"

"

"

2113

 

"

"

"

"

6575

6731#3
6646
#4
6652#5
6655#6

2401

2406
2401

2401
2401

Loose

Loose
Loose‡1
Loose
Loose

Wdn.

Loose
Loose‡2
Cond.
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

24

Feb-1949

2832
(ex.266)

2113

6602

2401

Loose

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

25

Feb-49

17-Oct-61

3780§
(ex.266)

"

2110

 

"

6665

6648#7

2401

2401

Loose

Loose

Loose
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

26

Feb-49

1961
Dec-62

2831
(ex.267)

"

"

2113

 

"

"

6586

6593#8
6665#9

2401

2401
2401

Loose

270
Loose

Wdn.

Cond.
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

27

Feb-49

c.Dec-62

3775§
(ex.267)

"

2110

 

"

6603

6646#10

2401

2401

Loose

Loose

Cond.

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

28

Feb-49

 

Jun-62

2787
(ex.400)

"

2113

 

"

6569

6591#11

2401LW

2401

Loose

270

Wdn.

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

29

Feb-49

Sep-60
Mar-61

2788
(ex.400)

"

"

2113

 

"

"

6567

6643#12
6653#13

2401LW

2401
2401

Loose

Loose
Loose

Wdn.

Cond.
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

30

Feb-62

Dec-62

3788§
(ex.246)

"

2110

 

"

6668

6601#14

2401

2401

272

Loose

Cond.

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

31‡3

Feb-62

Dec-62

2838
(ex.202)

"

2113

 

"

6598

6662#15

2401

2401

271

Loose

Cond.

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

168

14-Dec-35

14-Jun-60
24-Oct-60

2776
(New)

"

"

2113

 

"

"

6695

6655#16
6659#17

2403

2401
2401

New

Loose
Loose

616 (PP)

Loose
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

172

8-Oct-35

31-May-60

2777
(New)

"

2113

 

"

6696

6664#18

2403

2401

New

Loose

617 (PP)

 

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

178

26-Nov-35

Jun-60
3-Nov-62

2836
(New)

"

"

2113

 

"

"

6690

6666#19
6650#20

2403

2401
2401

New

Loose
Loose‡4

612 (PP)

Wdn.
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

179

23-Sep-30

3-May-62

Dec-62

3732‡5
(New)
2837#21
(ex.202)

"

2102

2113

 

"

6673

6658#22

6673

2403

2401

2403

New

Loose

Loose

Loose

Cond.

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

180

9-Oct-30

3-Oct-61
Feb-63

Mar-64

3733
(New)

"

"

"

2102

 

"

"

"

6674

6650#23
4439‡6
4442

2403

2401
2654

2654

New

Loose
181
212

Wdn.

178
Wdn.
-

Set disb.

c.1964 /65

 

 

 

 

 

 

196

8-Oct-35

24-Feb-60

2778
(New)

"

2113

 

"

6697

6667#24

2403

2401

New

Loose

618 (PP)

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

197‡7

8-Oct-35

2779
(New)

2113

6698

2403

New

Wdn

Set disb.

22-Jan-41

 

 

 

 

 

 

198

8-Oct-35

25-Jun-60

c.Dec-62

2780‡8
(New)
"

4245
(ex.959)

2113

"

2113

 

6699

6670
6595

2403

2401
2401

New

Loose
Loose

619 (PP)

Cond.
-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

199

Jan-30

Aug-61

c.Jul-62

3736‡9
(New)
2833‡10

(ex.760)
4246
(ex.959)

2102

2113

2113

6657

"

 

6604

2401

"

 

2401

New


 

Loose

Cond.


 

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

200

Jul-30

3737
(New)

2102

6588

2401

New

-

Disb.

Jun-62

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes

 

#

See livery table for painting dates of coaches prior to insertion into set.

§

Diag. 2110 had two lavatory vents.

‡1

Lancing Works record card for set 23 states coach 6646 was ex. set 433 but this is not consistent with the record card for set 433.

‡2

Loose thence set 27 c.Dec-62.

‡3

Number reused from Pull-Push set (BT 3053 3747 /C 4744 4730) withdrawn 21-Dec-57.
New set formed in BR Green livery.

‡4

Previous to ‘Loose’ set 180.

‡5

New 23-Sep-30

‡6

Coach 6650 (to set 178) appears to have been replaced by Maunsell Rstn.1 Nondescript Brake (BSO) 4439 to diag.2654 and set augmented with Maunsell Rstn.1 CK 5624 to diag.2302 (both ex.181); CK 5624 presumably to retain 1st class in the set. BSO 4439 withdrawn Dec-63 and replaced by Maunsell Rstn.1 Nondescript Brake (BSO) 4442 to diag.2654 (ex.212) which was withdrawn Oct-64. CK 5624 to set 445 Feb-65. Set 180 believed disbanded between Oct-64 & Feb-65.

‡7

Set 197 disbanded at New Cross Gate following damage and withdrawal of BCK 6698. BSK 2779 to set 248.

‡8

New 8-Oct-35, condemned Dec-62.

‡9

New Jan-30, withdrawn 12-Aug-61.

‡10

Ex.760 BSK 2833 condemned Dec-62.

Cond.

Condemned

Disb.

Disbanded

LW

Maunsell Low Window coach

Wdn.

Withdrawn

 

 

Maunsell diag. 2401 ‘High Window’ BCK coach 6575 of ‘P’ set 23 at Bodmin North on Wednesday, 25th June 1952. With space for a crimson cantrail band above its compartments, the ‘P’ set’s other coach (2792 to diag.2113) appears mismatched.

© J.H. Aston (Mike King Collection)

 

Liveries

On the Southern Region, coaching stock sets (and multiple-units) were normally repainted (and varnished) as a complete set leading to a significant degree of consistency within each set. Lancing Carriage works was releasing repainted stock in SR Green early-February 1949 with Crimson Lake and Cream (CLC) appearing at least by March 1949.

However, when permission was given for the Southern Region to return to Green for its Corridor Passenger stock it rapidly embarked on a programme to repaint at the A2 repair for a number of vehicles in order to accelerate the return to Green. The last Crimson Lake & Cream vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appears to have been on 17th July 1956 with the first BR Green set outshopped on 11th July 1956.

The Southern Railway liveries of the coaches used to form sets 22, 23 & 25 to 29 has yet to be determined. In terms of the ‘P’ sets 24, 28, 29 & 198 went straight from SR livery to BR(S) Green (without receiving CLC). Sets 30 & 31 were formed using BR(S) Green stock post-CLC livery and it is currently not known if set 180 received CLC. Set 197 was disbanded by the Southern Railway in Olive Green.

 

 

Believed to be Malachite Green-livery, BSK coach 3736 of ‘P’ set 199 at Exeter Central (c.1955) coupled to a CLC-liveried coach; presumably 6657 of this mis-matched pair.

Note the frameless balancing droplights on this coach; this being undertaken when it was refurbished for the Bournemouth Limited in 1938.

© T.A. Barry (Mike King Collection)

 

Set 25

From 1955 set 25 started running as a mis-matched livery pair. Both coaches (6665 & 3780) were outshopped Malachite prior to set formation. Waterloo Record Cards shew set 25 being outshopped from Lancing on 13th July 1955 with 6665 recorded as an E4 (this would have included a repaint into CLC) whereas 3780 was only recorded as having an A2 (a varnish pre-1957) so retained its Malachite livery.

On 14th April 1957 set 25 was once again outshopped from Lancing with 3780 recorded as an E4 exam (this would have included a repaint into BR(S) Green) whereas 3780 was only recorded as having an A2 exam. However, by this time there was a drive to eliminate CLC liveried stock and instead of (A2) varnishing the opportunity was frequently taken to repaint coaches into BR(S) Green.

Coach 3780 was outshopped from its next E4 exam 27th May 1959 with 6665 receiving an A2. Then in early-December 1961 6665 outshopped Lancing E4 /3780 outshopped A2 followed by 6665 sent to ‘Loose’ to be replaced by 6648 (E4 1954 /A2 February 1961). Further information is being sought.

 

Set 199

From 1950 to 1958 set 199 ran as a mis-matched livery pair. Both coaches (6657 & 3736) were outshopped Malachite on 18th March 1946 and Record Cards shew the set having two long stays at Lancing - outshopped from a paint on 8th June 1949 (E4) and outshopped again 8th February 1950. Between these dates 3736 spent some six-weeks at Eastleigh, emerging on 5th January 1950 and sent to Lancing Works to be reunited with 6657.

Following a 1949 repaint (Malachite) was set 199 involved in an incident resulting in 3736 requiring repair at Eastleigh (which may have included repainting in Malachite)?

Is it possible 6657 may have sustained minor damage, presumably requiring painting between 12th January 1950 & 8th February 1950; 6657 being outshopped in CLC livery only to be reunited with a newly-painted Malachite 3736?

Further information is sought to confirm this hypothesis!

 

‘P’ Set Liveries

The table below provides the liveries of these sets including the liveries of those coaches substituted into the sets during their working life (italics) as set out in the Waterloo & Lancing Record Cards.

 

Set No.
(Formed)

Coach No.

SR
Olive

SR
Malachite

BR(S)
CLC

BR(S)
Green

22

2790

New

n/k

27-Dec-50

27-May-59

(Feb-47)

6577

New

n/k

27-Dec-50

27-May-59

 

6691#1

(New)

 

(Nov-50)

-

 

6669#2

(New)

 

-

Sep-59

23

2792

New

n/k

1-Nov-49

13-Nov-58

(Feb-49)

6575

New

n/k

1-Nov-49

13-Nov-58

 

6731#3

(New)

 

-

Oct-57

 

6646#4

(New)

 

(Feb-54)

Jan-58?

 

6652#5

(New)

 

-

Feb-58

 

6655#6

(New)

 

-

Jan-61

24

2832

New

Jul-47

No

13-Nov-58

(Feb-49)

6602

New

Jul-47

No

13-Nov-58

25

3780

New

 

See text

See text

(Feb-49)

6665

New

 

See text

See text

6648#7

(New)

 

(1954)

Feb-61?

26

2831

New

n/k

24-Mar-50

8-Apr-57

(Feb-49)

6586

New

n/k

24-Mar-50

8-Apr-57

 

6593#8

(New)

 

-

1958

 

6665#9

(New)

 

-

Feb-61

27

3775

New

n/k

25-Oct-49

25-Apr-58

(Feb-49)

6603

New

n/k

25-Oct-49

25-Apr-58

6646#10

(New)

 

(Feb-54)

Jan-58?

28

2787

New

n/k

No

10-Jan-57

(Feb-49)

6569

New

n/k

No

10-Jan-57

6591#1

(New)

 

-

1958

29

2788

New

n/k

No

21-Jul-58

(Feb-49)

6567

New

n/k

No

21-Jul-58

 

6643#12

(New)

 

(Jun-54)

Apr-58?

 

6653#13

(New)

 

-

1959?

30

3788

New

n/k

n/a

(May-58)

(Feb-62)

6668

New

n/k

n/a

(May-58)

 

6601#14

(New)

 

-

by 1962

31

2838

New

n/k

n/a

by 1962

(Feb-62)

6598

New

n/k

n/a

by 1962

 

6662#15

(New)

 

-

Dec-60

168

2776

14-Dec-35

26-Apr-44

25-May-51

11-Oct-60

(14-Dec-35)

6695

14-Dec-35

26-Apr-44

25-May-51

11-Oct-60

 

6655#16

(New)

 

-

Jul-58

 

6659#17

(New)

 

-

Oct-60

172

2777

8-Oct-35

26-May-44

13-Oct-49

31-May-60

(8-Oct-35)

6696

8-Oct-35

26-May-44

13-Oct-49

31-May-60

 

6664#18

(New)

 

-

31-May-60

178

2836

26-Nov-35

8-May-44

26-Sep-50

4-Jan-57

(26-Nov-35)

6690

26-Nov-35

8-May-44

26-Sep-50

4-Jan-57

 

6666#19

(New)

-

(May-54)

Apr-58

 

6650#20

(New)

 

-

Dec-61

179

3732

23-Sep-30

3-Jan-47

17-Apr-56

8-Aug-58

(23-Sep-30)

6673

23-Sep-30

3-Jan-47

17-Apr-56

8-Aug-58

 

2837#21

(New)

 

-

May-58

 

6658#22

(New)

-

(May-54)

Jun-60

180

3733

9-Oct-30

31-May-48

Not known

by 1963

(9-Oct-30)

6674

9-Oct-30

31-May-48

Not known

by 1963

196

2778

8-Oct-35

8-Nov-45

9-Sep-55

30-Dec-59

(8-Oct-35)

6697

8-Oct-35

8-Nov-45

9-Sep-55

30-Dec-59

 

6667#24

(New)

-

(Jun-54)

May-58

197

2779

8-Oct-35

Disb.

-

-

(8-Oct-35)

6698

8-Oct-35

Disb.

-

-

198

2780

8-Oct-35

11-Jul-46

No

18-Oct-56

(8-Oct-35)

6699

8-Oct-35

11-Jul-46

No

18-Oct-56

 

4245

(New)

 

 

Yes

 

6670

(New)

 

 

Yes

 

6595

(New)

 

 

Yes

199

3736

Jan-30

18-Mar-46

No

25-Jul-58

(Jan-30)

6657

Jan-30

18-Mar-46

8-Feb-50

25-Jul-58

 

2833

(New)

 

 

Yes

 

4246

(New)

 

 

Yes

 

6604

(New)

 

 

Yes

200

3737

Jul-30

21-May-46

7-Sep-56

4-Jul-58?

(8-Oct-35)

6588

Jul-30

21-May-46

7-Sep-56

4-Jul-58?

 

 

 

BTK coach 3775 of ‘P’ set 27 at Exeter Central circa 1955.

© T.A. Barry (Mike King Collection)

 

Diagram Numbers
Notes for 2-COR (‘P’ Set) Coaches

Diag.

 

 

 

 

 

2102
2110
2401

Maunsell Corridor Brake Composite 1925 (Low Window) or 1929 (High Window) builds.

The diagram number is the same for Low Window (LW) or High Window (1929-on) builds.

2113
2403

Maunsell Corridor Brake Third 1935-1936 build with slender overall finish of each coach assisted by narrow cantrail guttering.

Frameless sidelights were virtually flush with the coach sides (larger lights having large radius corners); visible screw heads where bodyside steel sheeting fixed to the wooden sidelight frames.

Two single battery boxes fitted; one each  offset to the left of the coach centreline when each coach side is viewed side-on (replacing former double battery box design).

2406

Bulleid Six-compartment Brake Composite with 10¼ sidelight vents built June to September 1948.

All were originally allocated as ‘Loose’.

2302

Maunsell Rstn.1 CK (augmentated into Set 180).

2654

Maunsell Rstn.1 BSO Nondescript Brake (Set 180).

 

 

BSK coach 3732 of ‘P’ set 179 at Bude on Friday, 1st September 1961.

© A.E. West (Mike King Collection)

 

Recommended Reading

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recommended reading is as follows:

The Illustrated History of Southern Coaches
Mike King
[ISBN 0 86093 570 1]

Maunsell’s SR Steam Carriage Stock
David Gould
[ISBN ?]

Southern Coaches Survey – Pre-grouping and BR MK1 Stock
Mike King
[ISBN 978-0-86093-665-7].

Lancing 1956
Glen Woods
[ISBN 9 780956 765529]

 

  

Prepared by C. Watts with much thanks to the late Glen Woods, historical author Mike King (including permission to use photographs from his collection) and the work of David Gould.

 

 

 

 

 

 


 
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