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Passenger Carrying Coaches

SR Corridor Stock
(West of England ‘W’ Sets)

 

2 coach ‘W’ set 109 awaits the ‘road’ at Tipton St. Johns on Tuesday, 27th May 1958 with the 5.56pm to Exmouth. Note the difference in size between the ex.SECR Diag.52 CL-liveried Second 1087 and Diag.2401 Green-liveried Maunsell BCK 6594.

© R. F. Roberts (Mike King collection)

 

Created in 1958, the two-coach ‘W’ sets were employed on the Southern’s West of England routes (W standing for West of England). Numbered 100 to 110, these sets comprised of a Maunsell Corridor Brake  Composite initially paired with an ex.SECR 100-seat non-corridor compartment Third (by then classified as Second) thence a Maunsell Second Open.

 

Set
No.

Formed /Reform.

BCK
No.

Diag.
No.

BCK
sent to

S/SO
No.

Diag.
No.

S/SO
sent to

100

14-Feb-58

6599
(ex.Loose)

2401

Cond.
(Dec-62)

1095
(ex.897)

ex.SECR*
(Sep-29)

Wdn
(Sep-59)

 

by Sep-59

"

"

 

1303
(ex.Loose)

2007

Cond.
(Dec-62)

 

Sep-62
to Dec-62

6661
(ex.Loose)

2401

-

1426
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

101

Mar-58‡1

6906
(ex.Loose)

2401§

-

1089
(ex.897)

ex.SECR*
(Sep-29)

DS70053
(Nov-59)

 

1959?

"

"

 

1300
(ex.Loose)

2007

Cond.
(Dec-62)

 

c.8-Jun-62

"

"

 

1427
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

102

Mar-58‡2

6577
(ex.Loose)

2401

Wdn.

1105
(ex.897)

ex.SECR*
(Sep-29)

DS70066
(Feb-60)

 

by Sep-59

"

"

 

1306
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

 

Feb-60

6600
(ex.269)

2401

Cond.

"

"

 

 

30-Aug-62

6719
(ex.Loose)

2406

-

"

"

 

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

103

Mar-58

6585
(ex.Loose)

2401

 

1080
(ex.897)

ex.SECR*
(Mar-29)

Wdn
(Jul-59)

 

26-Aug-59

6905
(ex.Loose)

2401§

-

1304
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

104

Mar-58‡3

6589
(ex.Loose)

2401

 

1063
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Mar-29)

DS70065
(Feb/60)

 

May-59?

"

"

 

1314
(ex.Loose)

2005

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

105

Mar-58‡4

6576
(ex.Loose)

2401

 

1112
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Sep-29)

DS70067
(Feb-60)

 

Apr-59

6649
(ex.Loose)

2401

 

"

"

 

 

Nov-59

"

"

 

1327
(ex.Loose)

2005

?

 

Jul-61?

"

"

 

1411
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

106

Mar-58‡5

6573
(ex.Loose)

2401LW

Wdn
(Dec-62)

1107
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Nov-29)

Wdn
(7-Nov-58)

 

15-Oct-58

"

"

 

1102
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Apr-29)

DS70069
(Feb-60)

 

1959

"

"

 

1370
(ex.Loose)

2005

Wdn
(Dec-62)

Wdn.

Dec-62

 

 

 

 

 

 

107

Mar-58‡6

6583
(ex.Loose)

2401

-

1067
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Mar-29)

DS70052
(Sep-59)

 

26-Oct-59

"

"

 

1399
(ex.Loose)

2005

Wdn.
(23-Mar-62)

 

23-Mar-62

"

"

 

1410
(ex.Loose)

2007

Cond.
(Dec-62)

 

by Dec-62

"

"

 

1431
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

108

Mar-58‡7

6590
(ex.Loose)

2401

Cond.
(Dec-62)

1064‡8
(ex.903)

ex.SECR* (Mar-29)

Loose
(1958)

 

Mar-58‡8

"

"

 

974
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Sep-29)

Wdn
(Dec-59)

 

by Dec-59

"

"

 

1310
(ex.Loose)

2007

Cond.
(Dec-62)

 

1962

6726
(ex.Loose)

2406

-

1430
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

109

Mar-58‡9

6594
(ex.Loose)

2401

Cond.
(Dec-62)

1087
(ex.Loose)

ex.SECR* (Mar-29)

DS70064
(Feb-60)

 

22-Aug-60

"

"

 

1339
(ex.Loose)

2005

Wdn.
(?)

 

Jun-62

6578
(ex.Loose)

2401

-

1412
(ex.Loose)

2007

Cond.
(Dec-62)

 

by Dec-62

"

"

 

1307
(ex.Loose)

2007

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

110

Mar-58‡10

6595
(ex.Loose)

2401

Loose

970
(ex.903)

ex.SECR* (Apr-29)

DS70054
(Nov-59)

 

17-Apr-61
(Green)

6654
(ex.Loose)

2401

-

1325
(ex.Loose)

2005

Wdn.
(5-Jan-62)

 

22-Nov-61

"

"

 

1435
(ex.Loose)

2007

?

 

1962

"

"

 

1326
(ex.Loose)

2005

-

To WR

1-Jan-63

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Notes

 

#

See livery table for painting dates of coaches prior to insertion into set.

*

Non-corridor diag.52 compartment Second

§

Former BCK Diag.2401 6656 & 6660 became BCK Diag.2404 6905 & 6906 (for boat train traffic). Reverted to Diag.2401 in 1949 but changed numbers retained.

The Record Cards do not state a livery and further research is required to see if the set was crimson lake until 6589 repainted CLC 5-Mar-59 1314 replacing 1063 at that time.

Ά

One Waterloo Record Card lists 6662 receiving an E4 at Lancing against set 103 (6905 is not shewn as being removed from the set). However, other Waterloo and Lancing Record Cards confirm 6662 as being in set 31.

‡1

Previous 3-set 101 disb. by 6-Oct-56.

‡2

Previous 3-set 102 disb. by 3-Nov-51

‡3

Previous 3-set 104 wdn. 7-Sep-57

‡4

Previous 3-set 105 disb. 19-Oct-57

‡5

Previous 3-set 106 disb. by 21-Aug-54

‡6

Previous 3-set 107 disb. by 20-Feb-54

‡7

Previous 3-set 108 disbanded.

‡8

Lancing Record Card shews 1064 replaced by 974. However, given the ‘W’ set entered Lancing Works on 31st March 1958 for A2 overhaul (prior to entering service) it is highly probable that 1064 was only a paper allocation to set 108.

‡9

Previous 3 set 109 wdn. by 23-Nov-57

‡10

Previous 3-set 110 disbanded.

Cond.

Condemned

Disb.

Disbanded

LW

Low Window coach

Wdn.

Withdrawn

 

 

2 coach ‘W’-set 103 Open Saloon 1304 at Exeter Central on 8th September 1962. The adjacent coach is probably 6905; many of these sets appear to have run with the brake van positioned at the set’s inner-end following reformation with an SO.

© A. E. West (Mike King collection)

 

Liveries

On the Southern Region, coaching stock sets (and multiple-units) were normally repainted (and varnished) as a complete set leading to a significant degree of consistency within each set. Lancing Carriage works was releasing repainted stock in SR Green early-February 1949 with Crimson Lake and Cream (CLC) appearing at least by March 1949.

However, when permission was given for the Southern Region to return to Green for its Corridor Passenger stock it rapidly embarked on a programme to repaint at the A2 repair for a number of vehicles in order to accelerate the return to Green. The last Crimson Lake & Cream vehicle outshopped from Lancing carriage works appears to have been on 17th July 1956 with the first BR Green set outshopped on 11th July 1956.

‘W’ sets 104 & 107 may have entered service in Crimson Lake (S) and Crimson Lake & Cream (BCK) until their Second was replaced by a (Green) Second Open and the BCK coaches repainted Green (set 104 outshopped 3rd May 1959 /set 107 outshopped 26th October 1959); all others appear to have used a Green liveried BCK from formation of each set.

Unlike the BCK coaches, the ex.SECR Seconds do not appear to have had the set number painted on their coach-ends. In terms of these Seconds (and given most of these were withdrawn from passenger use around 1959) it is understood all retained Crimson Lake livery whilst in the ‘W’ sets. Those Seconds used in set 103, 104, 107, 109 & 110 were all withdrawn in  Crimson Lake livery.

For example, coach 970 (used in set 110) was Crimson Lake livery whilst being used on the Lyme Regis branch in August 1959. Ex.LSWR compartment set 42 used on the branch was withdrawn on 2nd November 1957 and set 102 was used on the branch in 1958. Besides set 110 (1959), reformed set 109 appeared there in 1961.

Where currently known, the table below provides the outshopping paint-date of the coaches in these sets.

 

Set No.
(formed)

Coach
No.

Coach
Type

SR
Malachite

BR(S)
CL or CLC

BR(S)
Green

100

6599

BCK

?

?

17-Jul-56

(14-Feb-58)

6661

BCK

?

?

May-62

 

1095

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

1303

SO

?

18-May-56

Mar-58

 

1426

SO

?

?

Mar-60

101

6906

BCK

?

30-Apr-56

Apr-58

(Mar-58)

1089

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

1300

SO

May-48

No

Oct-57?

 

1427

SO

?

?

Aug-62

102

6577

BCK

?

Apr-55

Jul-57?

(Mar-58)

6600

BCK

?

Jul-55

Aug-59?

 

6719

BCK

?

?

Mar-58

 

1105

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

1306

SO

?

Jul-55

Jul-57?

103

6585

BCK

?

?

Green

(Mar-58)

6905

BCK

?

Jun-55

Green

 

6662

BCK

?

?

by Apr-62

 

1080

S

?

Yes

No

 

1304

SO

?

Feb-54

Jul-59?

104

6589

BCK

?

23-Apr-56

5-Mar-59

(Mar-58)

1063

S

?

Jan-53

No

 

1314

SO

?

6-Jan-56

Nov-57?

105

6576

BCK

?

?

Green

(Mar-58)

6649

BCK

?

?

1-May-59

 

1112

S

?

Aug-53

Prob. not

 

1327

SO

?

?

20-Nov-56

 

1411

SO

?

?

Oct-59

106

6573

BCK

?

?

21-Nov-56

(Mar-58)

1107

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

1102

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

1370

SO

?

?

Jan-57

107

6583

BCK

?

?

26-Oct-59?

(Mar-58)

1067

S

?

Oct-55

No

 

1399

SO

?

?

26-Oct-59?

 

1410

SO

?

?

by May-62

108

6590

BCK

?

?

20-Aug-56

(Mar-58)

6726

BCK

?

?

6-Nov-56

 

1064

S

?

?

Prob. not

 

974

S

?

Dec-50

Prob. not

 

1310

SO

?

?

Green

 

1430

SO

?

?

May-59

109

6594

BCK

?

?

23-Jul-56

(Mar-58)

6578

BCK

?

?

Nov-60

 

1087

S

?

?

No

 

1339

SO

?

?

22-Oct-56

 

1412

SO

?

Mar-55

Feb-62?

 

1307

SO

?

?

Aug-61

110

6595

BCK

?

?

12-Dec-56

(Mar-58)

6654

BCK

?

?

May-58

 

970

S

?

?

No

 

1325

SO

?

?

by May-61

 

1435

SO

?

?

Dec-61

 

1326

SO

?

?

Oct-61

 

 

Diagram Numbers
Notes for ‘W’ Set) Coaches

Diag.

 

 

 

 

 

2005

Maunsell Second Open 1929-1934 build.

2007

Maunsell Second Open 1935-1936 build with slender overall finish of each coach assisted by narrow cantrail guttering.

2110
2401

Maunsell Corridor Brake Composite 1925 (Low Window) or 1929 (High Window) builds.

2113
2403

Maunsell Corridor Brake Third 1935-1936 build with slender overall finish of each coach assisted by narrow cantrail guttering.

Frameless sidelights were virtually flush with the coach sides (larger lights having large radius corners); visible screw heads where bodyside steel sheeting fixed to the wooden sidelight frames.

Two single battery boxes fitted; one each  offset to the left of the coach centreline when each coach side is viewed side-on (replacing former double battery box design).

2406

Bulleid Six-compartment Brake Composite with 10Ό sidelight vents built June to September 1948.

All were originally allocated as ‘Loose’.

2302

Maunsell Rstn.1 CK (augmentation into Set 180).

2654

Maunsell Rstn.1 BSO Nondescript Brake (Set 180).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Recommended reading is as follows:

The Illustrated History of Southern Coaches
Mike King
[ISBN 0 86093 570 1]

Maunsell’s SR Steam Carriage Stock
David Gould
[ISBN ?]

Southern Coaches Survey – Pre-grouping and BR MK1 Stock
Mike King
[ISBN 978-0-86093-665-7].

Lancing 1956
Glen Woods
[ISBN 9 780956 765529]

 

 

 

Prepared by C. Watts with much thanks to the late Glen Woods, historical author Mike King (including permission to use photographs from his collection) and the work of David Gould.

 

 

 

 


 
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